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Old 05-16-2023, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Da jet driver
Any pilot that does not conduct a walk around for every leg is a fool! I once found a Cracked Passenger window on a walk around prior to another leg. It was four windows in front of an engine! Instant FOD! That is Plain Lazy.
Fools, eh? Ok.
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Old 05-16-2023, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Da jet driver
Any pilot that does not conduct a walk around for every leg is a fool! I once found a Cracked Passenger window on a walk around prior to another leg. It was four windows in front of an engine! Instant FOD! That is Plain Lazy.
Yeah I (or the other pilot) do a walk before every leg I fly.

Post flight/terminating inspections, that ball's in the company court, they can weigh cost vs. benefit and who does it.
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Da jet driver
Any pilot that does not conduct a walk around for every leg is a fool! I once found a Cracked Passenger window on a walk around prior to another leg. It was four windows in front of an engine! Instant FOD! That is Plain Lazy.


Crack in the window. I have a picture of one I could show


How about dong a cabin walk while flying ? You can never to be safe , you would have found your crack that you’re so proud.
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Da jet driver
Any pilot that does not conduct a walk around for every leg is a fool! I once found a Cracked Passenger window on a walk around prior to another leg. It was four windows in front of an engine! Instant FOD! That is Plain Lazy.
Heroic!!!! We don’t deserve you and RickAir
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Old 05-16-2023, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Da jet driver
Any pilot that does not conduct a walk around for every leg is a fool! I once found a Cracked Passenger window on a walk around prior to another leg. It was four windows in front of an engine! Instant FOD! That is Plain Lazy.
Problems found on walk arounds are enough to fill a book!

Yes, 99% of things are good. But finding that 1% will save a lot of heart ache, grief, and potential accidents.
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Old 05-16-2023, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Problems found on walk arounds are enough to fill a book!

Yes, 99% of things are good. But finding that 1% will save a lot of heart ache, grief, and potential accidents.
yet sw operated for 50 yrs under the old operation and now all of a sudden pilots also need to do a walk around as well as the ramp as well as the mechanics.
its BS.
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:56 AM
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yet sw operated for 50 yrs under the old operation and now all of a sudden pilots also need to do a walk around as well as the ramp as well as the mechanics.
its BS.

Its the negotiations playbook.

They say it brings us up to aviation standard. What about the other aviation standards where we stand alone; like PF says landing gear up, setting zeros, VNAV off the ground and a whole myriad of procedures and processes where we are the only ones who do it that way.

Again, they found something to add to our workload while we’re in negotiations, simply the playbook.
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Old 05-17-2023, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Problems found on walk arounds are enough to fill a book!

Yes, 99% of things are good. But finding that 1% will save a lot of heart ache, grief, and potential accidents.
Yeah that would be a great argument if SW has had a ton of missed issues that caused a safety risk for the past half century. I dont know of any that have made the news.
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Its the negotiations playbook.

They say it brings us up to aviation standard. What about the other aviation standards where we stand alone; like PF says landing gear up, setting zeros, VNAV off the ground and a whole myriad of procedures and processes where we are the only ones who do it that way.

Again, they found something to add to our workload while we’re in negotiations, simply the playbook.
Agreed.
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Old 05-17-2023, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
yet sw operated for 50 yrs under the old operation and now all of a sudden pilots also need to do a walk around as well as the ramp as well as the mechanics.
its BS.
Reminds me of the old man who walked out of church board meetings in the evening. My dad was on the board with him. Crossed a busy 4 lane street. Never looked both ways. Had not been killed yet.

One evening my dad heard the squeal of brakes and horn. Than a thud. They took him to the hospital. He was dead on arrival.

True story.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Reminds me of the old man who walked out of church board meetings in the evening. My dad was on the board with him. Crossed a busy 4 lane street. Never looked both ways. Had not been killed yet.

One evening my dad heard the squeal of brakes and horn. Than a thud. They took him to the hospital. He was dead on arrival.

True story.
Awful story.

I do have to side with pretty much everyone else here. I don’t know of any other airline where the pilots don’t do a preflight before each leg. Just another Southwestism I suppose.
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