Nice Raise.
04-07-2023, 07:24 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 160
We still have Biden for two more years (at least). We should absolutely be looking for a minimum of 20% since termination of the old contract with full retro, plus 8-9% per year through the term if the next contract. Anything less, and we are going backwards.
Anyone who believes the inflation numbers the govt puts out as the price of “your personal inflation rate” is living in fairy tale land. If we don’t hit $350, I will probably be a no, unless they hit all the ancillary stuff like LTD, per diem, parking, uniforms, etc. out of the park. Then I could maybe back it down to $345.
While I support SWAPA, I honestly feel they are not aiming high enough and we will have to give them more leverage by giving the SAV a NO vote and then turn down the first offer they support. Sadly, I think we are still a year out.
Anyone who believes the inflation numbers the govt puts out as the price of “your personal inflation rate” is living in fairy tale land. If we don’t hit $350, I will probably be a no, unless they hit all the ancillary stuff like LTD, per diem, parking, uniforms, etc. out of the park. Then I could maybe back it down to $345.
While I support SWAPA, I honestly feel they are not aiming high enough and we will have to give them more leverage by giving the SAV a NO vote and then turn down the first offer they support. Sadly, I think we are still a year out.
04-07-2023, 06:33 PM
#12
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,798
The way I look at it is it's a 10 yr contract. Were 3 past amendable, probably another 1 to get there so that's 4 yrs. Itll be a 4 yr contract and then even if we get it done in 2( yeah right) that's 10 yrs right there. 10% a yr is a 100% raise. 10% is not a bad number/yr with crazy inflation now and who knows how long they'll drag out the next one.
didnt the mechanics go 7 yrs before they got a new contract last time. What if they do that to us next. A 100% raise quickly evaporates
didnt the mechanics go 7 yrs before they got a new contract last time. What if they do that to us next. A 100% raise quickly evaporates
04-08-2023, 04:01 AM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 78
We still have Biden for two more years (at least). We should absolutely be looking for a minimum of 20% since termination of the old contract with full retro, plus 8-9% per year through the term if the next contract. Anything less, and we are going backwards.
Anyone who believes the inflation numbers the govt puts out as the price of “your personal inflation rate” is living in fairy tale land. If we don’t hit $350, I will probably be a no, unless they hit all the ancillary stuff like LTD, per diem, parking, uniforms, etc. out of the park. Then I could maybe back it down to $345.
While I support SWAPA, I honestly feel they are not aiming high enough and we will have to give them more leverage by giving the SAV a NO vote and then turn down the first offer they support. Sadly, I think we are still a year out.
Anyone who believes the inflation numbers the govt puts out as the price of “your personal inflation rate” is living in fairy tale land. If we don’t hit $350, I will probably be a no, unless they hit all the ancillary stuff like LTD, per diem, parking, uniforms, etc. out of the park. Then I could maybe back it down to $345.
While I support SWAPA, I honestly feel they are not aiming high enough and we will have to give them more leverage by giving the SAV a NO vote and then turn down the first offer they support. Sadly, I think we are still a year out.
04-08-2023, 05:45 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,370
Remember real vs nominal when calculating pay. Delta voted in an 18% DOS raise when inflation has been over 17% since expiration. They voted in less than a 1% pay raise in real terms. Alaska actually voted in a pay cut in real terms. This at a time when we have more leverage than any time in history! Airlines have already passed these inflationary costs onto customers while we work for old rates.
04-08-2023, 05:54 AM
#15
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
Delta pilot here, I'd be remiss not to point out that this contract was a QOL contract from surveys, pay was tertiary at best to work rules and other QOL items, there is also a LOT of soft money involved that isn't directly reflected in rates. Holidays pay an extra 5:15 (above guarantee for reserves) for any trip that touches a single minute of the holiday, sit pay, duty period rigs, increased vacation pay and improved accrual etc. Don't sell yourselves short only looking at direct pay rate comparisons.
04-08-2023, 06:40 AM
#17
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
04-08-2023, 07:22 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 312
Bring on the actual strike. If Dallas continues to refuse to face reality, there’s little hope for the future. At this point I’m ready to sit at home and watch it burn.
04-08-2023, 08:44 AM
#19
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 78
It’s also important to note that at this point it is SWAPA’s job to get the SAV passed with as close to 100% yes votes as possible. Even if there were progress we will not hear about it from SWAPA at this time. If we get a great SAV turnout we may then start to hear signs of progress whether political or actual. The company may feel the squeeze even more so if AAL and UAL close out soon.
04-08-2023, 08:47 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,776
I think Wall Street will be the one to tell BoJo to settle this before we actually walk off the job...
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