Originally Posted by hoover

I hear you. I guess I'm just baffled how guys who have been here a while will settle for anything close to delta etc. As if they're just happy to be called airline pilots.

AA approved their POS TA so thats another one that doesn't even come close to inflation, full retro, or decent improvements.
it's like everyone is blind to a once in a lifetime contract opportunity.
Hey I got a 10 % raise even though inflation was 20% I already make a lot and dont want the company to fold.
meanwhile the next quarter record profits are announced, stock buybacks, dividends. and C suite bonuses and raises that double their earnings. Yet pilots are happy with their messily raise that doesn't even cover inflation.
that's what I'm afraid of here, I've heard it in the podcasts, I've seen it in the surveys and when ive talked to reps they seem to be in the same position.
give me some crumbs and I'll be happy.
I'm serious when I think we deserve a 100% raise on top of everything we are asking for.
we all know that money will be spent on buybacks and dividends. Even Bob got a 75% raise recently.

Originally Posted by Cyio

You kidding? Some bases can’t even find candidates to field a domicile rep position, much less committee volunteers. SWAPA is a volunteer organization. They do what they can with those who are willing to step up and do the work. So if you’re unhappy with their performance, step up and volunteer! Lots of committees need pilots.

Originally Posted by Cyio

You kidding? Some bases can’t even find candidates to field a domicile rep position, much less committee volunteers. SWAPA is a volunteer organization. They do what they can with those who are willing to step up and do the work. So if you’re unhappy with their performance, step up and volunteer! Lots of committees need pilots.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

true dat!

the vice-chair of BWI is an example. totally non-standard and completely self-serving. he’s of no value to the group but takes advantage of his position to build his schedule to max tfp every month. it’s unbelievable that this is allowed.

Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ

And all while line values, vacation pulls, and number of days worked for min guaranty suck worse than ever. Don't be fooled that the hog trough is any different now than it was in years past. Self serving scum bags always drift into those positions. Not all of them of course, but way more than the koolies singing the praises of "SWAPA 2.0" will admit.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

I ran the numbers between Delta's new contract and SWA's current contract if the upgrade situation between the two airlines was turned on its head: if SWA all of the sudden sped up to a 6-month upgrade (which is what is currently available at Delta) and if Delta hit a brick wall and slowed to a 7-year upgrade (which is roughly the junior upgrade currently available at SWA). The results are depicted in the chart below.

Even if, hypothetically, SWA was the airline, instead of DL, with the super-quick upgrades available, DL would still come out $3.12M ahead of a SWA pilot after 30 years. That's 38.5% more career earnings at DL vs SWA even with a completely unrealistic upgrade scenario modeled. That's not including how much more retirement contributions that a DL pilot would receive into their B-Fund over the course of 30 years compared to a SWA pilot.

So that there's no confusion, I'm providing this info mainly for current (and future) SWA pilots so that we all have objective information, even if we use the most "kooly" of unrealistic company apologist scenarios, in terms of career compensation, to give us data upon which to build a "reasonable" case for dramatically higher rates. Using more realistic upgrade projections, we would need to achieve no less than a $400/TFP 12-year CA rate to simply pull even with DL's current career earnings. And that doesn't account for the substantially higher physical and career liability we incur over and above DL due to the increased number of takeoffs, landings, and block hours we fly versus DL.

Finally, not that it needs to be said, but career earnings is just ONE area of the contract in which we lag. There are many, many other areas of the contract that also trail the industry.