Pay Yardstick
03-10-2023, 12:11 PM
#11
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 10
As of yesterday, 100 pilots have left SWA since Dec 2021.
If that was 100 pilots since Dec 2022, then maybe, you might have a point.
But, we’ve only lost 100 pilots in 14+ months. That’s 1%. That’s hardly a mass exodus. That’s hardly evidence to the company that new hires are being driven away by the pay or quality of life at SWA.
The fact is very few younger guys (or any guys) are voting with their feet at the moment. I wish they were because then that could be leverage for us. But they aren’t. If they leave, as you say, after the contract is ratified because it didn’t exceed their expectations, that’s too late to be used as leverage for this contract.
Right now, the evidence shows that pilots, for the most part, are stayIng. New hire classes are, at least for now, being filled.
The leverage of posing the credible threat of a legal strike is orders of magnitude more powerful leverage than whatever leverage is created by the trickle of attrition or new hire class-shuffling occurring right now.
Getting this pilot group focused on walking the path toward creating the real possibility of a legal strike at SWA is the most effective way to achieve industry leading everything.
If that was 100 pilots since Dec 2022, then maybe, you might have a point.
But, we’ve only lost 100 pilots in 14+ months. That’s 1%. That’s hardly a mass exodus. That’s hardly evidence to the company that new hires are being driven away by the pay or quality of life at SWA.
The fact is very few younger guys (or any guys) are voting with their feet at the moment. I wish they were because then that could be leverage for us. But they aren’t. If they leave, as you say, after the contract is ratified because it didn’t exceed their expectations, that’s too late to be used as leverage for this contract.
Right now, the evidence shows that pilots, for the most part, are stayIng. New hire classes are, at least for now, being filled.
The leverage of posing the credible threat of a legal strike is orders of magnitude more powerful leverage than whatever leverage is created by the trickle of attrition or new hire class-shuffling occurring right now.
Getting this pilot group focused on walking the path toward creating the real possibility of a legal strike at SWA is the most effective way to achieve industry leading everything.
10 pilots have quit in the last 7 days. That looks like more than a "TRICKLE"...........
03-10-2023, 01:04 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,264
That’s something we’ll have to wait to see if it keeps up. It could be a momentary blip or it could be a real indicator of the beginning of an exodus.
Regardless, if we want an industry-leading contract, we need to pursue creating the credible threat of a legal strike. If the loss of 10 pilots every seven days continues or accelerates, then great. It’s all the better in terms of leverage.
From today’s NC update, it seems like what is occurring is the company is trying to put together a nowhere-near-what-we-can-achieve TA before the SAV, before we move any further down the RLA path, and before the market moves any higher with UA or AA obtaining Delta-beating TA’s.
03-10-2023, 02:24 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,143
depends on if it is retro or not. Very. few understand what retro is. If you get retro, yes you get a check if you quit, retire, die or get abducted by aliens. If you get what Delta and Alaska got you get nothing because it is called a one time payment.
03-10-2023, 02:24 PM
#15
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Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 140
I’m waiting for TA1 when some clowns say “we will get that next time” when a bunch of stuff is left off the table. Industry leading means everything. Pay, hotels, parking, disability, goes on and on and on. Leave one little thing out and NO VOTE. Don’t care
03-10-2023, 02:37 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Feb 2023
Position: Window Licker
Posts: 19
As of yesterday, 100 pilots have left SWA since Dec 2021.
If that was 100 pilots since Dec 2022, then maybe, you might have a point.
But, we’ve only lost 100 pilots in 14+ months. That’s 1%. That’s hardly a mass exodus. That’s hardly evidence to the company that new hires are being driven away by the pay or quality of life at SWA.
The fact is very few younger guys (or any guys) are voting with their feet at the moment. I wish they were because then that could be leverage for us. But they aren’t. If they leave, as you say, after the contract is ratified because it didn’t exceed their expectations, that’s too late to be used as leverage for this contract.
Right now, the evidence shows that pilots, for the most part, are stayIng. New hire classes are, at least for now, being filled.
The leverage of posing the credible threat of a legal strike is orders of magnitude more powerful leverage than whatever leverage is created by the trickle of attrition or new hire class-shuffling occurring right now.
Getting this pilot group focused on walking the path toward creating the real possibility of a legal strike at SWA is the most effective way to achieve industry leading everything.
If that was 100 pilots since Dec 2022, then maybe, you might have a point.
But, we’ve only lost 100 pilots in 14+ months. That’s 1%. That’s hardly a mass exodus. That’s hardly evidence to the company that new hires are being driven away by the pay or quality of life at SWA.
The fact is very few younger guys (or any guys) are voting with their feet at the moment. I wish they were because then that could be leverage for us. But they aren’t. If they leave, as you say, after the contract is ratified because it didn’t exceed their expectations, that’s too late to be used as leverage for this contract.
Right now, the evidence shows that pilots, for the most part, are stayIng. New hire classes are, at least for now, being filled.
The leverage of posing the credible threat of a legal strike is orders of magnitude more powerful leverage than whatever leverage is created by the trickle of attrition or new hire class-shuffling occurring right now.
Getting this pilot group focused on walking the path toward creating the real possibility of a legal strike at SWA is the most effective way to achieve industry leading everything.
I’m with you and everyone else on pressing the possibility of a legal strike. We all know what’s at stake. Time to make it happen!
03-10-2023, 07:03 PM
#18
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 28
I interviewed this week. 16 in morning group and seemed like quite a few more in afternoon group (didn’t count).
I was offered job next morning and believe they mentioned 62 offers going out Thursday. Guessing that was the sum of successful interviews from Wednesday.
I was offered job next morning and believe they mentioned 62 offers going out Thursday. Guessing that was the sum of successful interviews from Wednesday.
03-10-2023, 07:06 PM
#19
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,789
Congrats on the CJO. Did you interview at other carriers?
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