Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Yes, they absolutely could have done much better. One big problem is, if you read their forum from the time when the TA was released, they fell for one of the mediator’s go-to tactics: the mediator threatened to put the negotiations “on ice” for an extended period of time.

They clearly don’t understand that the mediator only has so much power to control the schedule of negotiations. The mediator cannot put a dispute on ice forever. I’ve written extensively about the detailed reasons why that’s the case in the past. Search the forum if you’d like to understand precisely why that’s the case.

Among other things, apparently their union, like our’s, doesn’t put quotes like the following on blast so that every single member has an appreciation for how the mediator operates:



or,



IOW, the mediator can lie to your face - they can really do anything they want to twist your arm or ******* with your mind into agreeing - as long as it doesn’t involve literally committing a crime like putting a gun to the NC chair’s head or similar.

So, Delta fell for the mediator’s lies.

Successful SAV or not, we’re in danger of the same unless SWAPA steps up their educational efforts.

Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno

Yet you trash the Delta contract thread bashing everything they've done to give you a tailwind. Classic small ******* syndrome.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Compensation over the current IRS limit of $330K isn't considered.

Originally Posted by Vsop

As always interesting read Lewbronski. I’m just curious why you left the compensation after the IRS limit out? The Delta system just flows into a 16-18% pay raise depending on the contract year. Does Southwest offer a similar pay increase once the limit is reached? In the scenario you laid out the Delta pilot will most likely achieve 401k overages earlier in their career and earlier in the year throughout their careers. That 16-18% could be significant of a 30 year career.

I and the entire industry are hoping you all great a fantastic contract. From the outside you and UAL seem most likely to have success.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

It's amazing how people who are supposedly smart can really fail at basic comprehension.

Bless your heart Mr. Ready To Strike. Congratulations again.

Originally Posted by Viper25

This guy again. Can you stop condescending to everybody? I was a no vote, but that doesn’t mean I agree with you belittling the Delta guys. Not to mention that the people who voted to strike (including all the TA yes voters) actually WOULD have walked if it came to that.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

But you're right. What's done is done.... I just hope that this pilot group doesn't fold like yours did.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

The strike vote is pretty meaningless if you don't have the guts to call the mediator on their 'blarney' or 'hoomalimali' and press on with it. Let's face it, you folded after "being threatened" by the mediator and settled for much less than you should have gotten. And I get it... nobody likes being called out for their shortcomings or failures, but the truth is that the C-suites at all major airlines are celebrating your yes vote. Ours certainly is, and apparently so is United's.

But you're right. What's done is done.... I just hope that this pilot group doesn't fold like yours did.