flyguy81

Rates should’ve been higher….but they got a lot of QOL items and scope issues ironed out. For not having a single concession it’s not completely awful. All my DL friends are hoping now that the bar is set that UAL will best the rates followed by AA and the me-too’s will get the rates more where they should be.

PNWFlyer

why on earth would UA or AA give higher rates knowing Delta will match them. They are just going to match Delta’s rates, because that is all they have to do.

hoover

That would be awesome if both if them did exact rates. I never liked all the me too language in the new CBAs. Ir allows the company to not need to offer market rates. The AS average deal was even worse.

flyguy81

Because mgt are narcissists and want to be the best. Kirby at UAL has already said he wants a deal done soon that will make UAL the premier airline for people to work at. People look at QOL and pay…if you want to hire 150+/mo you’re gonna need a big carrot….being the best paid is a big carrot.

UAL got a 5% bump due to their Covid LOA. Think they’ll agree to a 10% raise to match DL or go for more? AA will likely just match whatever is the higher of the two.

Would be much easier if negotiated rates were the same (I was hoping for better rates so I want the me too’s to kick in to raise them just so CK, GK and BJ have to eat a **** salad)

Lewbronski

Here's a screen shot from a beta site that can model and compare career compensation at various airlines with various career progressions. This screen shot is a model of one of the progressions already discussed here. Note that the time in each fleet/seat position shown in the legend is time spent at that position, not time since hired. The final position shown is held though the 30-year point.

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flyguy81

Say we match DL 737-900 rates, 757 rates, or 777 rates….

what’s the comparison then?

Giordano Bruno

Yet you trash the Delta contract thread bashing everything they've done to give you a tailwind. Classic small ******* syndrome.

OOfff

virtually nobody is “getting screwed” by widebody assignments. They go senior in class, and anyone wishing to change can do so by breaking a seatlock in a year.

hoover

I think what he is saying is you guys could've gotten more. You had a great SAV vote and had momentum.

Lewbronski

Yes, they absolutely could have done much better. One big problem is, if you read their forum from the time when the TA was released, they fell for one of the mediator’s go-to tactics: the mediator threatened to put the negotiations “on ice” for an extended period of time.

They clearly don’t understand that the mediator only has so much power to control the schedule of negotiations. The mediator cannot put a dispute on ice forever. I’ve written extensively about the detailed reasons why that’s the case in the past. Search the forum if you’d like to understand precisely why that’s the case.

Among other things, apparently their union, like our’s, doesn’t put quotes like the following on blast so that every single member has an appreciation for how the mediator operates:

or,

IOW, the mediator can lie to your face - they can really do anything they want to twist your arm or ******* with your mind into agreeing - as long as it doesn’t involve literally committing a crime like putting a gun to the NC chair’s head or similar.

So, Delta fell for the mediator’s lies.

Successful SAV or not, we’re in danger of the same unless SWAPA steps up their educational efforts.