Grumpyaviator

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there ways to maximize vacation/training without drops. As far as overlap, I know some pilots know how to work it but 99% of pilots get screwed and PBS prevents overlap.

It all depends on the application and rules and knowing how to use them. At my previous place I could turn one week into three and I wasn’t senior.

OOfff

there is a way to conflict bid with OE that can be lucrative. That may be what was misunderstood.

NuGuy

The bulk of PBS efficiency gains come from the month to month transition. Airlines would have to staff reserves to cover just those 3-4 days that would not necessarily be needed the rest of the month.

The majority of the balance of the gains are from other trip conflicts. Training, vacation, mil leave, etc. Stuff that falls out of lines when those absences are applied.

PBS does generate a meaningful QOL increase for those who choose to learn the rules. Different PBS systems use different architectures, but if you can understand basic logic, if-then-else, then you can do pretty well. You can be as lax or as fussy as you want. Pre-built lines always seem to have some compromise, but with PBS, you can tailor your line to your specific needs (or at least try).

There’s no reason you can’t have PBS and still have conflict bidding. It all depends on how you negotiate the rules. There is probably some marginal gain from removing the requirement to pre-generate lines.

calmemployment

A report published by JP Morgan titled “Delta Air Lines Inc. Contract Analysis V1.0” containing research by North American Equity Research, as well a more recent article published by “One Mile at a Time” suggests that Delta Air Lines may have gained a significant competitive advantage over rivals because they can more easily afford it. The report suggests that due to American Airlines' current debt situation and Delta's much higher revenue per air seat mile, Delta stands at an apparent advantage. The analysis further highlights that Delta's pre-pandemic net profit from 2016-2019 was $16 billion. In the same time period, American's was $7 Billion. Delta's impressive new pilot CBA represents a total of $7.2 billion in incremental compensation over a similar period of 4 years. It is expected that Delta's rivals will need to match Delta's CBA to remain competitive in pilot recruitment. Delta, American, and United are each expected to hire approximately 2,000+ pilots each this year. In being able to raise pilot compensation by such a significant margin, Delta appears to have established a competitive advantage.

https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-news/aviator-bulletins/analysis-delta-air-lines-new-pilot-compensation-package-puts-them-at-a-strong-competitive-advantage/?fbclid=IwAR3FApyi1Ff8A-Rttx6JBlXVYsRRmCxyvN3mYrKt7HFaf8MxE_f8ujVS-44

flyinglizard

Same with UA. They have unfilled upgrade seats because no one wants them. If that isn't a red flag on fire, I don't know what is. It isn't an easy comparison I looked at both, had offers from both, and ultimately stayed (A LOT of anxiety and thinking went into this, don't get me wrong, my pro con document is literally 11 pages long). Running the NB numbers on the old contract we made more when using total days worked. We need a STRONG new contract to get there or better again, though.

flyinglizard

Captain said, "You've got to talk to this FO taking the plane! He makes $x money! You gotta learn his tricks!"

I ask the FO, "I hear you make ungodly amounts. How do you do it!"

Shows me his board with 5 days off. "I pick up straight out of monthly open time because no one else does!!!"

Ok... that's not a trick. That's just burnout waiting to happen.

Mozam

I fixed it for you .

ZapBrannigan

United just filed an 8K. Looks like they think a TA is close.

"The Company has determined that it is appropriate to accrue expense in the first quarter 2023 related to a potential new collective bargaining agreement with employees represented by the Air Line Pilots Association. This accrual represents a shift in the timing of the associated expense from the second quarter 2023 into the first quarter 2023. With this accrual added to the first quarter, the Company now expects first quarter 2023 CASM-ex2 to be flat to up 1.0% year-over-year. For the full year 2023, the Company continues to expect CASM-ex2 to be approximately flat versus full year 2022, which includes the full-year expected impact of all anticipated new labor contracts."

Baradium

Hi, Delta guy here.. for us anyway, junior upgrades are because of a lot of factors. One is, a lot of pilots are happy with senior FO schedules and pay, another is that with some exceptions (that are likely due seat locks), widebody FO is more senior than narrowbody captain which isn't a factor for you. We also have many different fleets and some pilots flat out won't upgrade on to some fleets (airbus vs boeing vs mcboeing). First upgrade can also break a seat lock while going to another fo position or subsequent upgrade cannot. And then you have the NYC base which overall is very junior becuase people don't want to commute to potentially cover three airports.

It's an easier comparison for me with Alaska as I speak with those pilots more often, but I think you can't put enough weight on the part where we have so many options to "upgrade" pay and/or QOL that can involve still being an FO and upgrade targets that might mean you decide not to take one on other than your preferred aircraft.

Just wanted to point out, lack up upgrades doesn't mean that it's a bad gig.

calmemployment

Yeah but does your CEO “Love Bomb you”?!?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing