DL TA career earnings >$4.4M more than SWA
03-08-2023, 11:44 AM
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And because if AA gets away with just focusing on matching or slightly bettering DL’s compensation, without meaningfully addressing quality of life issues, retirement, benefits, work rules, and full retro with an interest penalty and B-fund contributions, they’re saving the corporation mountains of cash that, rightfully, deserves to go to the executives’ bonus funds.
Classic management tactic: attempt to win them over with the shock and awe, the curb appeal of some upfront money, but leave most of the guts of the thing under the hood unchanged. The day-to-day experience of flying the line remains just as sh**** as it was before, pilots on disability are still persona non grata, retirement still lags, and no incentive has been created to prevent them from stalling next time.
03-09-2023, 06:35 AM
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Yep. All of that.
And because if AA gets away with just focusing on matching or slightly bettering DL’s compensation, without meaningfully addressing quality of life issues, retirement, benefits, work rules, and full retro with an interest penalty and B-fund contributions, they’re saving the corporation mountains of cash that, rightfully, deserves to go to the executives’ bonus funds.
Classic management tactic: attempt to win them over with the shock and awe, the curb appeal of some upfront money, but leave most of the guts of the thing under the hood unchanged. The day-to-day experience of flying the line remains just as sh**** as it was before, pilots on disability are still persona non grata, retirement still lags, and no incentive has been created to prevent them from stalling next time.
And because if AA gets away with just focusing on matching or slightly bettering DL’s compensation, without meaningfully addressing quality of life issues, retirement, benefits, work rules, and full retro with an interest penalty and B-fund contributions, they’re saving the corporation mountains of cash that, rightfully, deserves to go to the executives’ bonus funds.
Classic management tactic: attempt to win them over with the shock and awe, the curb appeal of some upfront money, but leave most of the guts of the thing under the hood unchanged. The day-to-day experience of flying the line remains just as sh**** as it was before, pilots on disability are still persona non grata, retirement still lags, and no incentive has been created to prevent them from stalling next time.
This is the AA CEO blatantly saying to the pilots "I know all you care about is hourly numbers, here ya go".
QOL is everything. Give me industry leading work rules and I'll make the money I need to make with it, or have a better at home QOL.
The union should give the pilots the entire TA EXCEPT for the pay rates for one week. Then, after they’ve had a week to digest the real meat and potatoes of the TA, THEN show them the pay rates. It’s the only way to divorce greed from a thoughtful analysis of the work rules, QOL, etc.
03-09-2023, 07:46 AM
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This is important. ☝️
This is the AA CEO blatantly saying to the pilots "I know all you care about is hourly numbers, here ya go".
QOL is everything. Give me industry leading work rules and I'll make the money I need to make with it, or have a better at home QOL.
The union should give the pilots the entire TA EXCEPT for the pay rates for one week. Then, after they’ve had a week to digest the real meat and potatoes of the TA, THEN show them the pay rates. It’s the only way to divorce greed from a thoughtful analysis of the work rules, QOL, etc.
This is the AA CEO blatantly saying to the pilots "I know all you care about is hourly numbers, here ya go".
QOL is everything. Give me industry leading work rules and I'll make the money I need to make with it, or have a better at home QOL.
The union should give the pilots the entire TA EXCEPT for the pay rates for one week. Then, after they’ve had a week to digest the real meat and potatoes of the TA, THEN show them the pay rates. It’s the only way to divorce greed from a thoughtful analysis of the work rules, QOL, etc.
I've always been amazed that folks always focused solely on our (industry lagging) pay rates when TA's were announced, completely ignoring the lack of work rule improvements or outright concessions embedded in them.
With 2 exceptions, everything we've voted on in my nearly 30 years here have cost us more than the paltry "raises" (when we got them) gained.
But hey, we can always "pick up a few days per month" to make up for it.
Fingers crossed that we've finally learned our lesson this time around.
03-09-2023, 09:01 AM
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While contracts are certainly more than payrates, payrates are sexy and brain-dead simple to explain to people.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
03-09-2023, 10:04 AM
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While contracts are certainly more than payrates, payrates are sexy and brain-dead simple to explain to people.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
Yuppp. Work smarter not harder. So SWA is gonna have to really overcompensate in order to beat Delta. Who wouldn’t go to Delta? It’s the good life.
03-09-2023, 10:11 AM
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While contracts are certainly more than payrates, payrates are sexy and brain-dead simple to explain to people.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
03-09-2023, 10:40 AM
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03-09-2023, 10:56 AM
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While contracts are certainly more than payrates, payrates are sexy and brain-dead simple to explain to people.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
Went to the MCO SWAPA event last night...There is a 1 year (yes, on property 1 year) 767 CA in LGA who makes more than EVERY SINGLE LINE PILOT at SWA.
The room was completely silent when Casey announced that. He said he hoped we were offended by that, because he certainly is.
Average DAL 737 CA now makes $4.5k/mo more than SWA CA. Average DAL FO now makes $2.9k/mo more than SWA FO. And they work a LOT less than we do.
I didnt want to use his name but we all know of him
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