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Old 02-18-2023, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
And yes, if we vote the first one down it’s pretty much guaranteed that we’ll get more on the second one. That’s how this game works.
Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Amen. Now we just gotta convince 10,000 other members of our group.
yeah that's the hard part. A lot will surprisingly try to argue against you, even your union might get in on it. It's so disappointing to see it.
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Amen. Now we just gotta convince 10,000 other members of our group.
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9,997 more to go.
You don't have to convince me either. I am a very likely no vote. My threshold is very high. Unless it's a full rewrite, industry leading disability/benefits, and "Oh my..." pay rates that knock my socks off, I'm a no vote.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:33 AM
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Go to any Major that will hire you. Regionals are subsidiaries and can be folded very quickly.
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Old 02-19-2023, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
You don't have to convince me either. I am a very likely no vote. My threshold is very high. Unless it's a full rewrite, industry leading disability/benefits, and "Oh my..." pay rates that knock my socks off, I'm a no vote.
You forgot the full & true retro part.
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Old 02-19-2023, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Amen, amen, amen! How quickly we forget the overstaffing of 2018. If you can’t see that the company is going for those staffing numbers or even worse then you’re blind. Judge the new rates based on minimum monthly guarantee.

And yes, if we vote the first one down it’s pretty much guaranteed that we’ll get more on the second one. That’s how this game works.
My VOTE is NO
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Old 02-19-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
You forgot the full & true retro part.
That's a given.
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Old 02-19-2023, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
My VOTE is NO
What exactly is up for vote?
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Old 02-19-2023, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
What exactly is up for vote?
The TA that will eventually be presented. We can always do better.
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:31 PM
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May 1st will be my first yes. It’s gonna feel kind of weird selecting it. I hope I don’t select no by muscle memory.
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Old 02-21-2023, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I have read some of the thoughtful and not so thoughtful replies to this topic. In my opinion, you would be a fool to remain at a regional airline with more than a decade left in the career and an option to leave.
There are economic forces at work right now that are completely unsustainable. One of those is the regional airline model in its current form. The legacy carriers have used the regionals to undercut labor and provide a good portion of their lift at reduced cost for decades. With the labor market like it is, they have had to greatly increase those costs and are basically doing the equivalent of throwing money into a furnace just to keep the heat on. It’s going to come crashing down around them at some point. It may take a tipping of the economy to do that, and I would bet as an amateur economist that it’s coming sooner than later. When they’re paying RJ check airmen widebody captain rates plus just to not leave, there’s a big problem. History is littered with stories of hiring booms just like this one in the airlines followed by mass furloughs.
Leave now and take the first class you get at a major airline. Then take the Cinderella class when that one comes. When the record scratches and the music stops, where do you want to be? I would want to be at a destination carrier with a padding of seniority under me.
Don’t let the detractors sway your decision that is going to have a direct effect on you and your loved ones. Despite SWAs complete and utter lack of any sort of leadership, it is a big ship with a little rudder and it is going to keep making money and growing its business for the foreseeable future. Once we get the contract we deserve, maybe after voting one or two of them down, we are going to be right in line with the legacy carriers.
Best advice on this thread. And also correct about SWA's complete lack of leadership.
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