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02-25-2023, 02:22 PM

#51

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

So you are saying “no”.

If I asked you if management could tie their own shoelaces, would you say “no”? Just trying to get your understanding and bias about management.

I think the middle mgt has their heads so far up their asses that they’re refusing to accept reality, and are telling their superiors whatever it is they think they need to hear.

02-25-2023, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

As a non-SWA pilot there’s no way for you to grasp the severity of the “out to lunch” factor of our management.

I hear similar words at some other airlines (not all).

02-25-2023, 07:18 PM

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I hear similar words at some other airlines (not all).

Yeah? So? Does that make it not true in the case of SWA?

02-25-2023, 07:24 PM

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Yeah? So? Does that make it not true in the case of SWA?

Multiple airlines’ pilots have this opinion of their management. Indeed, several of them have said their’s is the worst in the industry. Yes, they say they are worse than SWA. Hmmmm…

02-25-2023, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

Multiple airlines’ pilots have this opinion of their management. Indeed, several of them have said their’s is the worst in the industry. Yes, they say they are worse than SWA. Hmmmm…

Yes indeed. Just read all the other airline threads here on APC. Every pilot group thinks their management is the worst, and every pilot group claims their negotiating committee and union are the weakest. All the while believing that the other airline with "best" contract has it because their management respects the pilots and wants them to have the best pay a QOL.

02-25-2023, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jetset

they just look at it as an acceptable level of attrition

*US Air Force has entered the chat*

02-26-2023, 03:52 AM

#57

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Colonels have the experience to see and know better than most. Some Colonels have never actually achieved O-6 though.

02-26-2023, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

Multiple airlines’ pilots have this opinion of their management. Indeed, several of them have said their’s is the worst in the industry. Yes, they say they are worse than SWA. Hmmmm…

I never claimed ours is the worst management in general. It’s just appalling how bad they’ve gotten lately.

I will say that they have to be the worst as far as tech and archaic operational systems and processes simple because I can’t imagine a company that’s so inept and set in their ways.

Worse still, is their arrogance about it all. Something that I’ve been witness to for the past decade.

02-26-2023, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

Multiple airlines’ pilots have this opinion of their management. Indeed, several of them have said their’s is the worst in the industry. Yes, they say they are worse than SWA. Hmmmm…

Sad that at SWA we are in the class of who is the worst. There was a time, when we would be saying we had the best. This pretty much says it all for the health of this place .

02-26-2023, 05:34 AM

#60

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lol agreed on all of this, however I can assure you our tech, at least in terms of scheduling for ourselves is not the worst. I had 12 different logins at my last gig lol, everything you did required a different login. Day one they handed you an 8x11 sheet of paper with all of the different logins, websites, apps and codes you needed. The AA regional was basically DOS commands when you had to make any hotel requests or schedule changes. I think the entire industry is decades behind in technology but none of them are brave enough to go all in on something new.