FO base seniority
02-13-2023, 08:40 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
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Why do we ratify TA’s that allow the company to do everything we complain about them doing to us? If I were in company management and 84% of the pilots agreed to the contract they’re working under, I’d also take full advantage of the consent they gave me.
Don’t ratify contracts unless you’re going to be happy living under the most loose interpretation of the contract you give your yes! vote to for the next six to ten years.
What’s that saying a lot of pilots like to bandy about? “Elections have consequences”? In our case, they definitely do.
What would you tell some fellow pilot who signed for a loan without fully reading the terms of the loan because it gave him a quick injection of cash but then realized he was in over his head after he spent all the money loaned to him? Would you tell him it was the lending company’s fault and he shouldn’t have to pay the money back? Or would you tell him that maybe next time it’d be a good idea to understand what he was getting himself into?
Don’t ratify contracts unless you’re going to be happy living under the most loose interpretation of the contract you give your yes! vote to for the next six to ten years.
What’s that saying a lot of pilots like to bandy about? “Elections have consequences”? In our case, they definitely do.
What would you tell some fellow pilot who signed for a loan without fully reading the terms of the loan because it gave him a quick injection of cash but then realized he was in over his head after he spent all the money loaned to him? Would you tell him it was the lending company’s fault and he shouldn’t have to pay the money back? Or would you tell him that maybe next time it’d be a good idea to understand what he was getting himself into?
Darn near everything that everyone complains about was, at one time or another, voted YES! on by a majority of our pilots, either via contracts, or worse, side letters.
SWApAganda, along with an easily manipulated pilot group, was/is a huge part of why we are where we are today.
02-13-2023, 01:18 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,264
02-13-2023, 06:02 PM
#35
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,798
My first chance to vote no is coming up whenever CK outlives his usefulness to his corporate masters and the company decides to get serious.
My position is simple: this isn’t a concessionary environment. Make us industry leading across the board or play chicken with a work stoppage and the potential losses therein.
Unfortunately, this is my first airline, and even before hopping into a job that I did a ton of research for, I (and most guys in my shoes) wouldn’t even have the vocabulary to know to ask about something as niche as new hire consolidation vs. seniority in junior bases.
One more in a long list of third rails for our contract, I suppose. I don’t begrudge the company for taking advantage of it. They’re the scorpion on the back of the frog…it’s just in their nature to be the way they are.
My position is simple: this isn’t a concessionary environment. Make us industry leading across the board or play chicken with a work stoppage and the potential losses therein.
Unfortunately, this is my first airline, and even before hopping into a job that I did a ton of research for, I (and most guys in my shoes) wouldn’t even have the vocabulary to know to ask about something as niche as new hire consolidation vs. seniority in junior bases.
One more in a long list of third rails for our contract, I suppose. I don’t begrudge the company for taking advantage of it. They’re the scorpion on the back of the frog…it’s just in their nature to be the way they are.
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