FO base seniority
#21
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 81
So, all SWA bases for first officer within a few months is confirmed. Except for ATL, DAL, and HOU. Here is data as of the March vacancy.....
ATL Sept 22
BWI Dec 22
DAL Aug 22 (most senior)
DEN Nov 22
HOU Oct 22
LAS Nov 22
LAS ETOPS Nov 22
LAX Dec 22
MCO Nov 22
MDW Nov 22
OAK Nov 22
PHX Oct 22
Now, to get off reserve, or weekends/holidays off, that's a whoooooole other animal lol
ATL Sept 22
BWI Dec 22
DAL Aug 22 (most senior)
DEN Nov 22
HOU Oct 22
LAS Nov 22
LAS ETOPS Nov 22
LAX Dec 22
MCO Nov 22
MDW Nov 22
OAK Nov 22
PHX Oct 22
Now, to get off reserve, or weekends/holidays off, that's a whoooooole other animal lol
#23
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 989
I really hope this goes away in our next contract. You want to consolidate new hires? Fine. Buy us off trips.
Why do we allow the company to dilute seniority to save them money, again?
#27
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 833
These huge classes where 50+ new hires go to one base really hurt FOs around 70-80% seniority in base/seat if your base happens to get a huge glut of new hires.
Try not flying on reserve...good luck.
#28
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,264
Don’t ratify contracts unless you’re going to be happy living under the most loose interpretation of the contract you give your yes! vote to for the next six to ten years.
What’s that saying a lot of pilots like to bandy about? “Elections have consequences”? In our case, they definitely do.
What would you tell some fellow pilot who signed for a loan without fully reading the terms of the loan because it gave him a quick injection of cash but then realized he was in over his head after he spent all the money loaned to him? Would you tell him it was the lending company’s fault and he shouldn’t have to pay the money back? Or would you tell him that maybe next time it’d be a good idea to understand what he was getting himself into?
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 989
Why do we ratify TA’s that allow the company to do everything we complain about them doing to us? If I were in company management and 84% of the pilots agreed to the contract they’re working under, I’d also take full advantage of the consent they gave me.
Don’t ratify contracts unless you’re going to be happy living under the most loose interpretation of the contract you give your yes! vote to for the next six to ten years.
What’s that saying a lot of pilots like to bandy about? “Elections have consequences”? In our case, they definitely do.
What would you tell some fellow pilot who signed for a loan without fully reading the terms of the loan because it gave him a quick injection of cash but then realized he was in over his head after he spent all the money loaned to him? Would you tell him it was the lending company’s fault and he shouldn’t have to pay the money back? Or would you tell him that maybe next time it’d be a good idea to understand what he was getting himself into?
Don’t ratify contracts unless you’re going to be happy living under the most loose interpretation of the contract you give your yes! vote to for the next six to ten years.
What’s that saying a lot of pilots like to bandy about? “Elections have consequences”? In our case, they definitely do.
What would you tell some fellow pilot who signed for a loan without fully reading the terms of the loan because it gave him a quick injection of cash but then realized he was in over his head after he spent all the money loaned to him? Would you tell him it was the lending company’s fault and he shouldn’t have to pay the money back? Or would you tell him that maybe next time it’d be a good idea to understand what he was getting himself into?
My position is simple: this isn’t a concessionary environment. Make us industry leading across the board or play chicken with a work stoppage and the potential losses therein.
Unfortunately, this is my first airline, and even before hopping into a job that I did a ton of research for, I (and most guys in my shoes) wouldn’t even have the vocabulary to know to ask about something as niche as new hire consolidation vs. seniority in junior bases.
One more in a long list of third rails for our contract, I suppose. I don’t begrudge the company for taking advantage of it. They’re the scorpion on the back of the frog…it’s just in their nature to be the way they are.
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