Enjoy on Sunday
02-11-2023, 04:47 AM
#11
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
I cant tell you how many people i flew with during the pandemic who were salivating over the prospect of one of the legacies folding and SW still standing when the dust settles. When i argued that would result in tens of thousands of pilots out of work i was told some drivel about winners and losers and how thats competition. I was dumbfounded how any pilot could wish ill will on a fellow aviator.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
02-11-2023, 06:24 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
I cant tell you how many people i flew with during the pandemic who were salivating over the prospect of one of the legacies folding and SW still standing when the dust settles. When i argued that would result in tens of thousands of pilots out of work i was told some drivel about winners and losers and how thats competition. I was dumbfounded how any pilot could wish ill will on a fellow aviator.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
02-11-2023, 06:43 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 766
Any one who wishes this, has not worked in this biz long enough, because in actuality, a failing major airline is a threat to all the others both at the corporate level and at the professional level. Long before any company goes out of business, there will be periods of discounting, trashing the yields all the airlines enjoy on certain markets. Then if a major did go bk, the amount of available labor will trash labor's ability to negotiate raises for quite some time.
So calmemployment does not have the proper username to post such drivel.
So calmemployment does not have the proper username to post such drivel.
Right?
I know way too many people that work at every other airline. Friends, family etc. I don't want them to be jobless. I don't want to be jobless.
I just want to have a better contract than them (lol moment) and be proud of the place that I work.
02-11-2023, 07:12 AM
#15
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,199
Since we can't put leverage on our respective companies by just leaving for higher salaries like other professions, we need to be somewhat unified in our pattern bargaining. Everyone's SAV votes matter, showing up at each other's picketing matters, shooting down whatever Tumi TAs come along with overwhelming repudiation matters. That's how we move the needle for each other. We are not each others enemies. Leave that to mgmt.
Mgmt would cleary rather lower requirements and award themselves bonuses and promotions than pay you what you're worth. I'll never forget the public gaslighting GK & Ramsey did against you on tv for not taking pay cuts in 2020. "Why can't you just roll over and let us take food of your plate and your kids plates? We need more bonuses on the rebound, duh..."
You guys deserve a BIG pay day, hope you get it.
Mgmt would cleary rather lower requirements and award themselves bonuses and promotions than pay you what you're worth. I'll never forget the public gaslighting GK & Ramsey did against you on tv for not taking pay cuts in 2020. "Why can't you just roll over and let us take food of your plate and your kids plates? We need more bonuses on the rebound, duh..."
You guys deserve a BIG pay day, hope you get it.
02-11-2023, 08:09 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,171
I cant tell you how many people i flew with during the pandemic who were salivating over the prospect of one of the legacies folding and SW still standing when the dust settles. When i argued that would result in tens of thousands of pilots out of work i was told some drivel about winners and losers and how thats competition. I was dumbfounded how any pilot could wish ill will on a fellow aviator.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
Yep. These forums thrive on schadenfreude.
02-11-2023, 10:29 AM
#17
Swimmin' in da pool
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 444
I would argue that senior management should find other employment, specifically those C Suite leeches lavishly rewarding themselves for their criminal incompetence. As for the remaining 60,000 awesome employees…pilots, mechanics, flight attendants, ground ops personnel, etc, they are among the kindest, hardest working professionals I’ve ever interacted with. Time and again, they went out of their way to get me home or to work. I truly hope they get the leadership and Contract they truly deserve.
Too late to delete, you might consider apologizing for such an ignorant statement.
Too late to delete, you might consider apologizing for such an ignorant statement.
Last edited by dawgdriver; 02-11-2023 at 10:55 AM.
02-11-2023, 01:03 PM
#19
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,332
I cant tell you how many people i flew with during the pandemic who were salivating over the prospect of one of the legacies folding and SW still standing when the dust settles. When i argued that would result in tens of thousands of pilots out of work i was told some drivel about winners and losers and how thats competition. I was dumbfounded how any pilot could wish ill will on a fellow aviator.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
02-11-2023, 01:57 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,264
I cant tell you how many people i flew with during the pandemic who were salivating over the prospect of one of the legacies folding and SW still standing when the dust settles. When i argued that would result in tens of thousands of pilots out of work i was told some drivel about winners and losers and how thats competition. I was dumbfounded how any pilot could wish ill will on a fellow aviator.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
I was disappointed that we werent better than that. I dont know if we have the high ground here.
A quote from a SWAPA official in a New York Times article published March 10, 2006 about pilot frustration with the state of the industry in the wake of 9/11 and the ensuing bankruptcies entitled "Airline Pilots Still Flying, but No Longer Quite So High":
Not everyone agrees that the longer working schedule is a problem.
"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Capt. Jeffrey R. Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.
"They're a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."
"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Capt. Jeffrey R. Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.
"They're a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."
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