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#41
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You are correct about the 18 days on. Our (AA) guarantee is 73 long call, 76 short call, and they can't fly you over 85. You can however fly OG/PR above 85. You can fly PR/OG on one day off into multiple days on, which makes you less usable for a regular reserve trip. PR does go pretty Jr actually. I sat LCR as a Jr NB CA last year (not PHX though) flew over 80 only twice, mostly flew in the 40 to 60 range (talking actual flying, credit can be much higher and OG/PR adds to the 73 guarantee). I'm sure some will chime in that they flew 80 every month, it does vary by equipment and base, and there is some strategy to how you build your schedule etc. Had probably 6 to 9 DHD only last days which allowed me to commute home a day early as well.
EDIT: Rereading the posts on here, I realize that the person I was replying to was saying it's bad to be capped at 85 and bad to credit 73/76. The goal on reserve at AA is to fly as few reserve trips as possible and then enjoy your time at home...or pick up PR, still fly low but credit higher. its possible to fly 60 to 70 hours and credit 120 to 140. Flying 85 hours of reserve trips is definitely a bad month (flying too much).
EDIT: Rereading the posts on here, I realize that the person I was replying to was saying it's bad to be capped at 85 and bad to credit 73/76. The goal on reserve at AA is to fly as few reserve trips as possible and then enjoy your time at home...or pick up PR, still fly low but credit higher. its possible to fly 60 to 70 hours and credit 120 to 140. Flying 85 hours of reserve trips is definitely a bad month (flying too much).
I put in for any OG or PR I could and never got a thing (always went much more senior) and after enough 5 on/2 off/4 on without getting much higher than min guarantee I realized the AA system is built to get you to stop picking up. Inefficient schedules, lots of airport appreciation time, not getting paid for reserve days I don’t work…etc.
I did a 200 TFP month here on reserve (actually worked 20/31 days but that’s not for everyone), and 179 (15 days of work) I’ve easily gotten in the 130-140 range working 12-15 days a month as a NH with blank lines. The trip rigs and work rules are much better at WN (and hopefully getting better) I’m able to move trips around to a more favorable schedule with very little effort and I don’t have to deal with the Leviathan 7 (?) layer PBS at AA (which didn’t matter because I was stuck with reserve for the foreseeable future).
#42
WN is a rudderless ship .The ex CEO Is now chairman of the board and uses the new CEO as a puppet. This place is a dumpster fire. It says it all when the CEO calls the pilots plumbers. Spirit, airlines, Frontier Airlines and even Sky West would be better than SWA .
#43
Skywest? Come on man, let’s not get too carried away.
#44
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
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The glut of Skywest pilots that Southwest is hiring every week would seem to disagree with you on that.
#45
Now we are getting somewhere. Some , maybe over 50 percent , feel WN is a better place to work than Skywest . Let me ask about SWA vs Home Depot or SWA vs Great Lakes ? Having this debate says a lot about working here .
#46
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#47
You know, after announcing massive pay increases (about 100%) and plus six digit bonuses at AA's WOs, I really thought the expense of the regional model would drown AA in costs. According to their latest earnings call though, it turns out they have no problem affording to pay ~5,000 pilots twice as much as the year before. Who knew? I guess that kind of puts the 'don't kill the golden goose' fallacy to bed. I hope...
#48
Wait—we can compare with airlines that were liquidated? LOL
#49
I put in for any OG or PR I could and never got a thing (always went much more senior) and after enough 5 on/2 off/4 on without getting much higher than min guarantee I realized the AA system is built to get you to stop picking up. Inefficient schedules, lots of airport appreciation time, not getting paid for reserve days I don’t work…etc.
I did a 200 TFP month here on reserve (actually worked 20/31 days but that’s not for everyone), and 179 (15 days of work) I’ve easily gotten in the 130-140 range working 12-15 days a month as a NH with blank lines. The trip rigs and work rules are much better at WN (and hopefully getting better) I’m able to move trips around to a more favorable schedule with very little effort and I don’t have to deal with the Leviathan 7 (?) layer PBS at AA (which didn’t matter because I was stuck with reserve for the foreseeable future).
I did a 200 TFP month here on reserve (actually worked 20/31 days but that’s not for everyone), and 179 (15 days of work) I’ve easily gotten in the 130-140 range working 12-15 days a month as a NH with blank lines. The trip rigs and work rules are much better at WN (and hopefully getting better) I’m able to move trips around to a more favorable schedule with very little effort and I don’t have to deal with the Leviathan 7 (?) layer PBS at AA (which didn’t matter because I was stuck with reserve for the foreseeable future).
#50
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Yeah, that’s why I edited my post. I realized you wanted to actually work more not less. My goal on reserve is to fly as little as possible (zero would be great!). Yes PR will vary by bid status, but I’ve seen a new hire get a PR trip the day after he finished OE. I’m glad you’re happy at SWA, that’s what I want for everyone.
Again, to each their own I’m happy for you
Last edited by BrickTamblin; 01-30-2023 at 07:44 AM.
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