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Old 07-31-2023, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dwtd
what is exactly disagreement between SWAPA and management? pilot salary? if it's pilot salary and increasement is a must! otherwise, all pilots will runaway to other companies! it should be someting else.
SWAPA.org
You’ll find everything you need there.
A good indicator for the company’s MO in these/any of their negotiations is their recent move to Un-AIP the contractual maternity policy. They reneged on a previously agreed upon section dealing with maternity leave. Only a slimy FH lawyer would come up with this move. CK isn’t smart enough to generate something like this on his own.

For them to go back on the maternity leave section simply shows how little ‘Luv’ really exists. The company is simply a business. Nothing more. Just focused on Money.

OK, cool.cool.cool……

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Old 08-01-2023, 12:31 AM
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Good SWAPA Pod on why Not to work for SWA.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Wm...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:16 AM
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Interesting fact…… According to Zippia, a job placement/career improvement website, the following numbers are total employees and the airlines respective number of leadership positions:

American 133,700/58

United 93,000/39

Delta  86,560/74

The drum roll please!

 Southwest 58,803/85!!!!

Interesting, where the smallest by the number of employees with the most leadership positions!

Looks to me like there’s plenty of money to go around !
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Old 08-01-2023, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by calmemployment
Good SWAPA Pod on why Not to work for SWA.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Wm...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
Great episode, very eye opening. I agree with MP that this is a LINE IN THE SAND issue that shouldn’t earn ANY of our votes if it’s not addressed in this CBA to include a retirement component like Delta got and UAL has in their AIP. They will NOT earn my vote without it, at ANY pay rate.

And if you’re young and think this doesn’t apply to you… try and imagine that you hurt yourself snowboarding, or fall off a ladder hanging Christmas lights..
Some injury that keeps you out of the cockpit for several years. You will not only want the company to provide for you at or near your current rates of pay but ALSO continue to contribute to your retirement. This isn’t just an “old guy “ issue. It’s important to all of us.
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Old 08-01-2023, 05:07 PM
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Another reason not to work for this dumpster fire:

SWAPA just announced today that in July we had the highest number and highest percentage of fatigue calls per 10,000 duty periods on record ever in the history of SWA.

"Pilot quality of life is of no benefit to the Company" - SWA SME
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Another reason not to work for this dumpster fire:

SWAPA just announced today that in July we had the highest number and highest percentage of fatigue calls per 10,000 duty periods on record ever in the history of SWA.

"Pilot quality of life is of no benefit to the Company" - SWA SME
Anyone with a brain could have seen that one coming. The schedule has tons of 4am shows and 2am releases. Scheduled.
Throw in some planned 10 hour duty days, add some delays and mix with a dash of summer weather. Serve over a plate of ****ed off pilots.

I can't sleep right with these schedules. Nobody should be up before 4am. Nobody should be ending their day at 4am unless that's what they originally planned to do and got the rest for it.
Pilots who used to help out and fly fatigued just aren't doing it any more. It ages you terribly and it does our customers and families a disservice.

I have to go to bed now. I have a 4:05am van. Wish I was kidding.
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Old 08-01-2023, 05:53 PM
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Do you want a 3 AM alarm clock, or to be going to sleep at 3 AM.

You decide.

The reality of the SWA schedule.

And yet, still mystified at why fatigue calls are at new all time record highs?
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Old 08-01-2023, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Caveman
Do you want a 3 AM alarm clock, or to be going to sleep at 3 AM.

You decide.

The reality of the SWA schedule.

And yet, still mystified at why fatigue calls are at new all time record highs?
its that combined with <11 hr overnight, scheduled. If you had 18hrs its doable but not when you are getting abused every day!
It's not sustainable for me personally. I can not do this for 20+ more yrs. Imagine if fatigued calls paid whatever we were awarded/scheduled? They'd be way higher.
I'd think an ASAP with every fatigue report might change things.
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Old 08-02-2023, 08:38 AM
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Another reason NOT to work for SWA:

(NYSE 8/2/23: LUV) Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $.18 per share to Shareholders of record at the close of business on September 6, 2023, on all shares then issued and outstanding. The quarterly dividend will be paid on September 27, 2023.

Shareholders first, employees last. Not the Herb way.

In 2006. LUV dividends were .45 CENTS per share. Today, Gary and the Board has increased them to 18 CENTS/ share. 40 TIMES higher… yet our salaries and benefits haven’t grown at that rate. We are still getting payed what was negotiated in 2016.
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:06 PM
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The sooner our pilot group realizes

There's no putting the SWA monetization of SWA labor's goodwill back in the box.

The better off that SWA Labor and the Company will be on the way ahead.

Management (term used loosely) requires a power on reset badly that in my opion only mechs and pilots workgroups have future will and future RLA capability to do.

All future "culture" will be crew and small teams level driven.

There's no going back. New time, New song.

Not intending to chastise, but rather stimulate and encourage critical thought.
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