golfandflows

mesa too

/filler

ZapBrannigan

Anybody catch the Independence Day email from LK stating WN was 5th(?!) in on time performance over the weekend? Are we supposed to be proud of that?! Behind all of the legacies and ahead of…who? Frontier? Spirit?

Vettekid

Ok, I give up. As far as I can tell neither CEO had worked for the other airline at any point. What's the connection?

Hobbit64

Vette,
With all due respect (Invoking my hero, Ricky Bobby), I did not research, make the effort to pop up on the radar of, jump through all of the required hoops for, nor want to work for Allegiant. Years ago I set a goal for and worked towards securing a job offer with an airline that boasted and publicly portrayed itself as 'The Last Job You'll Ever have'. That myth died a slimy GK death on 12/3/20.
You are mixing apples and oranges with your comparison of swa and Allegiant Airlines.
Spend some time reading 'Hard Landings".
I have spent enough time paying my dues in this career to settle for less than my skills are worth.
Here's an example of the management types crying wolf and beating the worn out tune of insolvency.
20 years ago there was a push for unionization in the offshore petroleum helicopter pilot market. PHI was the predominant player. The PHI management team predicted cataclysmic repercussions if the pilots' demands were met. They said the industry would implode. Well, the pilots' got a huge increase in pay and the industry continued to prosper quite well. Every word out of their mouth was an out right lie. This is exactly the same.
Ford Harrison is paid to guide swa management in crafting a wonderful web of BS.
Less than 2 months after the 'dire' need to cut OUR pay by 10% and an existential need for Force Majeure; the BOD of swa gave $26,900,000.00 to nine people as a bonus for their stewardship of the company. How is that working out?!
Just because similar airlines recently accepted less than they could have achieved does not mean swa can not afford to pay us what we are worth.
I did not work towards, nor desire employment at Allegiant Airlines. I will not compare my recompense to Allegiant either.
Your analogy is way off the mark.

Timmay

But... they can wear beards!!

Mozam

I am not slammed you ,sorry if it came out that way at all. My point is GK is still calling all the shots and is using BJ as his puppet. GK , who blew 12 billion on stock buybacks and now th stock is back to pre buyback range. He is toxic , would not have any problem furloughing pilots .



I still would like to know the truth about the rumor of GK having security escort Herb out of the building after they got into it. I know the company did a lot of yammer of how that was false and a bad rumor.

Lewbronski

A-freaking-men! To exaggerate only a little bit, the Allegiant analogy is about as applicable to us as if Vettekid had instead asked, “Next time you think you have it bad, go talk to an an Amazon delivery driver,” or “Next time you think you have it bad, go talk to an iPhone factory worker.”

This is one of the sorts of arguments that is used by the “YES!” crowd at every airline during a TA vote to rationalize their “YES!” votes.

On the subject of the PHI pilots, I don’t know a lot about their story, but I do know they went on strike back in 2006. So, hearing your story that they achieved large gains, it sounds like those large gains were achieved by going on strike.

ZapBrannigan

new article out today in The Street

https://www.thestreet.com/travel/sou...-major-problem

Vettekid

Guys, I appreciate the discussion....I really do. It's all well intentioned in my opinion, so no offense taken.

That said, how are we so different from Allegiant? Yes, SWA is ahead of them in most regards, but that was kind of my point. And no, I'm not a yes vote yet from what I have seen. But by point was this place is far from the bottom of the barrel. Statements like "I can't understand why above would come to SWA" are short sighted and selling those of us who did come here, short. There are worse contracts out there. I'm here for a handful of reasons, one of those is Allegiant horrible contract and management. If they had something closer to SWA and a snowballs chance in Florida of getting a Florida base ( without being driven from base to base any given week), then I would probably be there. But it will never happen.

SlipKid

Apparently, many folks think that a career at SWA is comparable/interchangeable with that of a legacy.

It, simply put, isn't, and has never been, which is why I posted what I did.

If you're good with working more for less than your contemporaries at legacies over the span of your career, you're in the right place. Those that aren't should, IMHO, look elsewhere.

Since you brought it up, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that a career at SW is much closer to that of one at Allegiant, than it is to one at a legacy.

I am pretty close to the top of the food chain at SW, seniority wise, and my QOL, pay and 401K balance pale in comparison to those of my friends who have been at legacies the same amount of time I've been here and less.