1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
#641
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,264
This is the big problem, and the main reason to avoid the company. It once was a place where the employees were treated well, and empowered to make leadership decisions. It is almost a rudderless ship where the frontline employees are expected to pick up all the slack. Nearly everyone is fatigued from years of this treatment, and few have the energy to carry the reigns anymore.
In fact, to the contrary, my own personal experience here just off probation with a couple of chief pilots was as mind-blowingly close to the opposite of the “Nuts!” ethos as can be imagined. I’d tell the story but I’d risk doxxing myself and possibly, worse.
That’s not to mention all of the other stories from many others I’ve heard about or personally witnessed unfold over the years. Some are amazingly bad. Can’t go into details because I haven’t been given permission to disclose.
If the company could simply be what it advertises itself to be in terms of “luv” and “cohearts” and all of that, I’m confident many ills would be overlooked and many sins forgiven by many around here. But alas, it’s not reality.
#643
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 991
Truth. I’ve heard that a long time ago, a lot of what was written about in that “Nuts!” book was actually real. But, in my approximately 20 years here, I’ve never really witnessed or experienced it.
In fact, to the contrary, my own personal experience here just off probation with a couple of chief pilots was as mind-blowingly close to the opposite of the “Nuts!” ethos as can be imagined. I’d tell the story but I’d risk doxxing myself and possibly, worse.
That’s not to mention all of the other stories from many others I’ve heard about or personally witnessed unfold over the years. Some are amazingly bad. Can’t go into details because I haven’t been given permission to disclose.
If the company could simply be what it advertises itself to be in terms of “luv” and “cohearts” and all of that, I’m confident many ills would be overlooked and many sins forgiven by many around here. But alas, it’s not reality.
In fact, to the contrary, my own personal experience here just off probation with a couple of chief pilots was as mind-blowingly close to the opposite of the “Nuts!” ethos as can be imagined. I’d tell the story but I’d risk doxxing myself and possibly, worse.
That’s not to mention all of the other stories from many others I’ve heard about or personally witnessed unfold over the years. Some are amazingly bad. Can’t go into details because I haven’t been given permission to disclose.
If the company could simply be what it advertises itself to be in terms of “luv” and “cohearts” and all of that, I’m confident many ills would be overlooked and many sins forgiven by many around here. But alas, it’s not reality.
When I came back off exto, we all had to sit through the drift presentation that everyone saw in cqt that year. Besides the irony of management shills giving a presentation about other management ghouls launching outside a safe envelope and costing line swine their lives, one of the management shills had the chutzpah to say “be the person you said you were at your interview.” You can’t hang fastballs over the plate like that so I piped up that I’d be the guy I said I was in the interview when southwest starts behaving like the company in lead with luv and Nuts! I’m sure if looks could kill, I’d be dead and the flight ops management team would have been up on murder charges.
#644
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,154
Problem is, there's a wide "gray area" between drinking the coolaid and fighting the man. My family has been struggling with serious medical issues for months, to the point where I'm lucky to log 80TFP per month for the last 6 months. Am I "getting the mission done" when I bid straight for the only turn I've been able to pick up in 3 weeks, or am I just feeding my family? Yes, I checked TTGA first, and picked up a trip or two yet still fell well short of min guarantee. And people try to tell me I'm somehow the problem when I pick up a turn at straight time after coming in 10-15% under min guarantee for the last 5 months? Here's a bag of d!ck$...
#645
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,829
Problem is, there's a wide "gray area" between drinking the coolaid and fighting the man. My family has been struggling with serious medical issues for months, to the point where I'm lucky to log 80TFP per month for the last 6 months. Am I "getting the mission done" when I bid straight for the only turn I've been able to pick up in 3 weeks, or am I just feeding my family? Yes, I checked TTGA first, and picked up a trip or two yet still fell well short of min guarantee. And people try to tell me I'm somehow the problem when I pick up a turn at straight time after coming in 10-15% under min guarantee for the last 5 months? Here's a bag of d!ck$...
Just because there’s open time to bid on doesn’t mean you’ll get it for premium. You’re not in the wrong at all.
#646
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Joined APC: Nov 2020
Posts: 1,920
Problem is, there's a wide "gray area" between drinking the coolaid and fighting the man. My family has been struggling with serious medical issues for months, to the point where I'm lucky to log 80TFP per month for the last 6 months. Am I "getting the mission done" when I bid straight for the only turn I've been able to pick up in 3 weeks, or am I just feeding my family? Yes, I checked TTGA first, and picked up a trip or two yet still fell well short of min guarantee. And people try to tell me I'm somehow the problem when I pick up a turn at straight time after coming in 10-15% under min guarantee for the last 5 months? Here's a bag of d!ck$...
#647
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,154
Thx, it's disheartening to work so hard and still be behind. A week or two ago I finally got that one open time trip at straight which boosted my May pay to a whopping 82, and the next day on FB was a lecture from someone about why it's evil to bid straight OT. I didn't need that.
#648
Thx, it's disheartening to work so hard and still be behind. A week or two ago I finally got that one open time trip at straight which boosted my May pay to a whopping 82, and the next day on FB was a lecture from someone about why it's evil to bid straight OT. I didn't need that.
#649
This place is as close as I get to social media these days, and sometimes i think about quitting this as well.
#650
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,791
Thx, it's disheartening to work so hard and still be behind. A week or two ago I finally got that one open time trip at straight which boosted my May pay to a whopping 82, and the next day on FB was a lecture from someone about why it's evil to bid straight OT. I didn't need that.
“It’s nobody’s business how you make your money and it’s not your business how they make theirs”.
You do what’s right for you and ignore the rest. Truth is the ones calling you out most likely are abusing the system somehow anyway and are screwing their fellow pilots in the process.
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