1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
05-01-2023, 09:48 AM
#451
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SWA ranked last in study of US airlines.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/southw...g-to-new-study
If not everybody, most airlines get their turn in the barrel. This too shall pass.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/southw...g-to-new-study
If not everybody, most airlines get their turn in the barrel. This too shall pass.
05-01-2023, 09:55 AM
#452
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So … your point is that we should constrain ourselves to NB-only compensation comparisons even though the RLA doesn’t require us to and we’re in the most pilot-friendly negotiating environment in half a century?
05-01-2023, 10:06 AM
#453
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That was then, this is now. The game has drastically changed. If we want to attract and RETAIN our incoming youth, we need to think outside the box. We don’t have better equipment options or choices for our talent. To entice them to stay, our compensation package needs to be better or at the very least, super competitive with the largest compensation packages of our competitors.
There’s really no mystery here. If we fail to attain a lucrative contract, we run the risk of remaining a revolving door. Are the luxury suite occupiers willing to accept that title and expense? That remains to be seen. In the mean time, vote and vote early!
05-01-2023, 10:22 AM
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05-01-2023, 10:26 AM
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That's why I'm asking because the way you worded your post makes it sound like that might be what you were attempting to communicate. It sounds like Rseat picked up on the same vibe from your post. If that's not what you meant, would you care to clarify?
05-01-2023, 10:48 AM
#456
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I got the same vibe.
05-01-2023, 12:54 PM
#457
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When Southwest is hiring they are no longer buying a 737 type rated pilot when they offer employment, they are buying an ATP.
The reality of todays job market is that an ATP grants the holder the ability to earn wide body FO pay, or narrowbody Captain pay, within 6-12 months at the latest. Southwest is simply not competitive offering narrowbody compensation for a decade.
The reality of todays job market is that an ATP grants the holder the ability to earn wide body FO pay, or narrowbody Captain pay, within 6-12 months at the latest. Southwest is simply not competitive offering narrowbody compensation for a decade.
05-01-2023, 02:00 PM
#458
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Not only that, it's absolutely dangerous as hell. Given that the company has started kinda negotiating in public, how many people will fixate on rates and disregard things like LTD or rig, or reigning in the training scheduling BS, etc, etc. etc. Care to guess how many would see the rates, be blown away by them and ignore everything else? Time to focus on EVERYTHING. The full monty. Not just pay rates.
05-01-2023, 02:08 PM
#459
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My prediction is we get released to self help within 12 months. I just don’t see the company and the union agreeing to a STD/LTD plan. Company will refuse anything that does not include some kind of concession from our current sick banks/accrual… regardless if Carl is still running the show or not. Anything other than industry leading STD/LTD while leaving our current sick bank/accrual is a non stater for SWAPA and would be a no vote from me if SWAPA AIP’d a turd like that.
05-01-2023, 02:51 PM
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My prediction is we get released to self help within 12 months. I just don’t see the company and the union agreeing to a STD/LTD plan. Company will refuse anything that does not include some kind of concession from our current sick banks/accrual… regardless if Carl is still running the show or not. Anything other than industry leading STD/LTD while leaving our current sick bank/accrual is a non stater for SWAPA and would be a no vote from me if SWAPA AIP’d a turd like that.
The company cannot afford to take it all the way. They burned up there Mulligan last Dec. Wall Street has lost enough money with GK and bj
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