1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
03-18-2023, 11:52 PM
#281
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Right, because that's what Tucker said!
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
03-19-2023, 07:16 AM
#282
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Right, because that's what Tucker said!
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
03-19-2023, 08:04 AM
#283
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I don’t understand why fox is the default label for some regarding others they don’t like or disagree with.
03-19-2023, 08:25 AM
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03-19-2023, 09:44 AM
#285
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Right, because that's what Tucker said!
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
Someone, anyone give me one concrete example of how DEI is negatively effecting you in your job. Not so and so said this or that or I heard this or a check airman said that. A verifiable concrete example of diversity trumping ability.
Anyone who has been in the military in the last 30 years knows these programs come and go in different flavors, but in the end, they are designed for the 2 percent that can't wrap their brains around the fact that someone who doesn't look like them may be invited to do their job. For the other 98 percent of us, we just keep doing what we were doing and everything is fine.
The outrage news media loves this stuff. They are getting killer ratings with it because it is so upsetting.
What came first... the DEI or the DEI outrage? Answer this and then tell me which is divisive.
Concrete examples... DEI causes outrage(as admitted), which when virtue signaled from a company who has a VP of DEI through frequent company comms: 1. divides our company and union through anger directed towards each other as result of company policy; 2. creates distractions on a flight deck if discussed as it is very controversial; 3. creates distrust towards a company that seems to value DEI over a competent operation; 4. puts emphasis on an agenda before experience, as the moment flying experience yields to anything else, it is no longer the chief concern.
And if we are feeling so equitable, let's support a contract that has every position at this company paid the same salary, despite job description, qualifications and longevity. I believe there is a form of governing that may best describe this practice.
DEI, like the recent vax mandates, is a tool implemented by authorities to simply demoralize a segment, create division, and grab power. And the brilliance of it is that with just a small injection of controversy by the puppet masters, the puppets will destroy themselves. Same effects with stuff like pay MOUs in open negotiations and early ELITT openings(intentional or unintentional) create outrage through controversy.
A divided group is easier to rule. Eye on the prize... C2020.
Just like labeling arguments, let's not label people. This is a business, not a charity; best person for the task at hand. Companies with this approach will win, not get the participation medal.
03-19-2023, 10:22 AM
#286
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Thanks! Same here. We went without a tv for about 15 years. TV is a massive time waster. We did buy one almost two years ago but do not have cable or any streaming that allows Fox News. Yet, if I have an experiential based opinion, the know it all “non-judgmental”, “inclusive” crowd assumes to know my thoughts and background by confidently declaring that I have no rational reason to believe what I believe and that I’ve been duped by listening to Fox News or specifically, Tucker Carlson. AIl this while raging at others about making assumptions. 🌎🤡
03-19-2023, 11:11 AM
#287
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How did we get to dei from 1221? Start another thread please if you want to go down that rabbit hole. 1221 was based off warn letters sent out early to scare swapa into a 10% reduction. We can all agree on that. Keep your Fox News/MSNBC/CNN etc… drivel out of this thread please.
The FM grab was very dangerous.
Strategically stupid move on the Ford Harrison people.
03-19-2023, 12:06 PM
#288
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"Because that's what Tucker said" is something someone says when they know they already have a losing argument. One is pre labeling any opposition as irrational in order to discredit the merits of any opposing remarks. No different from labeling someone a koolaid drinker or auto "no" voter.
What came first... the DEI or the DEI outrage? Answer this and then tell me which is divisive.
Concrete examples... DEI causes outrage(as admitted), which when virtue signaled from a company who has a VP of DEI through frequent company comms: 1. divides our company and union through anger directed towards each other as result of company policy; 2. creates distractions on a flight deck if discussed as it is very controversial; 3. creates distrust towards a company that seems to value DEI over a competent operation; 4. puts emphasis on an agenda before experience, as the moment flying experience yields to anything else, it is no longer the chief concern.
And if we are feeling so equitable, let's support a contract that has every position at this company paid the same salary, despite job description, qualifications and longevity. I believe there is a form of governing that may best describe this practice.
DEI, like the recent vax mandates, is a tool implemented by authorities to simply demoralize a segment, create division, and grab power. And the brilliance of it is that with just a small injection of controversy by the puppet masters, the puppets will destroy themselves. Same effects with stuff like pay MOUs in open negotiations and early ELITT openings(intentional or unintentional) create outrage through controversy.
A divided group is easier to rule. Eye on the prize... C2020.
Just like labeling arguments, let's not label people. This is a business, not a charity; best person for the task at hand. Companies with this approach will win, not get the participation medal.
What came first... the DEI or the DEI outrage? Answer this and then tell me which is divisive.
Concrete examples... DEI causes outrage(as admitted), which when virtue signaled from a company who has a VP of DEI through frequent company comms: 1. divides our company and union through anger directed towards each other as result of company policy; 2. creates distractions on a flight deck if discussed as it is very controversial; 3. creates distrust towards a company that seems to value DEI over a competent operation; 4. puts emphasis on an agenda before experience, as the moment flying experience yields to anything else, it is no longer the chief concern.
And if we are feeling so equitable, let's support a contract that has every position at this company paid the same salary, despite job description, qualifications and longevity. I believe there is a form of governing that may best describe this practice.
DEI, like the recent vax mandates, is a tool implemented by authorities to simply demoralize a segment, create division, and grab power. And the brilliance of it is that with just a small injection of controversy by the puppet masters, the puppets will destroy themselves. Same effects with stuff like pay MOUs in open negotiations and early ELITT openings(intentional or unintentional) create outrage through controversy.
A divided group is easier to rule. Eye on the prize... C2020.
Just like labeling arguments, let's not label people. This is a business, not a charity; best person for the task at hand. Companies with this approach will win, not get the participation medal.
You and I agree that this topic is divisive. I am asserting that it is unnecessarily divisive and much of that division is based on false outrage brought to you by the cable news media and internet who have decided to choose DEI and ESG as the talking points du jour in order to get their target audience all upset so that they can tune in and get their endorphin fix.
For those of you who are parroting exactly what he has said and claim that you got there of your own accord, I call shenanigans. Maybe you don't watch him, which is a start, but you are definitely dipping your toes in the same pool of BS that he is spouting.
Yes, the company is leaning into it pretty heavily. If you play the long game and maybe wait a few months and let them get it out of their system by ignoring it, I am willing to bet that you will be much happier and more focused on things you can change like our contract or spending time on a hobby or family.
I know this won't make any difference to those who get their kicks by being angry, but there it is.
Still waiting for those concrete examples of how DEI has effected safety at Southwest Airlines. The examples above are suppositions and generalizations.
03-19-2023, 12:22 PM
#289
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My own surmising but, the DEI/ESG push seemed to accelerate during covid when “WEF Gary” secured billions in cash from financiers. I wonder if that financing was from WEF-tied banks which are driving the company in that direction.
btw, I don’t believe that DEI is responsible for the recent close calls (as Tucker and other sensationalists say), but there is a difference between equality and the modern push for equity. Marshall and King fought for the principles that race, gender, etc should not be a barrier to prevent qualified people from achieving their goals and living up to their potential. DEI and intersectionality OTH, use race, gender, etc to propel the unqualified into positions beyond their ability.
That’s not so prevalent at our level, but at the leadership levels where the core fundamentals of running a sound business are being neglected for the sake of DEI/ESG.
A book I highly recommend, as the husband and father of black Americans, is Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham. He intelligently breaks down SJ movements, their roots, true agenda and where they’re actually trying to take us.
btw, I don’t believe that DEI is responsible for the recent close calls (as Tucker and other sensationalists say), but there is a difference between equality and the modern push for equity. Marshall and King fought for the principles that race, gender, etc should not be a barrier to prevent qualified people from achieving their goals and living up to their potential. DEI and intersectionality OTH, use race, gender, etc to propel the unqualified into positions beyond their ability.
That’s not so prevalent at our level, but at the leadership levels where the core fundamentals of running a sound business are being neglected for the sake of DEI/ESG.
A book I highly recommend, as the husband and father of black Americans, is Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham. He intelligently breaks down SJ movements, their roots, true agenda and where they’re actually trying to take us.
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03-19-2023, 03:09 PM
#290
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My own surmising but, the DEI/ESG push seemed to accelerate during covid when “WEF Gary” secured billions in cash from financiers. I wonder if that financing was from WEF-tied banks which are driving the company in that direction.
btw, I don’t believe that DEI is responsible for the recent close calls (as Tucker and other sensationalists say), but there is a difference between equality and the modern push for equity. Marshall and King fought for the principles that race, gender, etc should not be a barrier to prevent qualified people from achieving their goals and living up to their potential. DEI and intersectionality OTH, use race, gender, etc to propel the unqualified into positions beyond their ability.
That’s not so prevalent at our level, but at the leadership levels where the core fundamentals of running a sound business are being neglected for the sake of DEI/ESG.
A book I highly recommend, as the husband and father of black Americans, is Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham. He intelligently breaks down SJ movements, their roots, true agenda and where they’re actually trying to take us.
btw, I don’t believe that DEI is responsible for the recent close calls (as Tucker and other sensationalists say), but there is a difference between equality and the modern push for equity. Marshall and King fought for the principles that race, gender, etc should not be a barrier to prevent qualified people from achieving their goals and living up to their potential. DEI and intersectionality OTH, use race, gender, etc to propel the unqualified into positions beyond their ability.
That’s not so prevalent at our level, but at the leadership levels where the core fundamentals of running a sound business are being neglected for the sake of DEI/ESG.
A book I highly recommend, as the husband and father of black Americans, is Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham. He intelligently breaks down SJ movements, their roots, true agenda and where they’re actually trying to take us.
Poopoo out.
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