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Old 01-02-2024, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I guess we have a different definition of an insult. Care to challenge what I said because if you read through the comparison, I am correct. I would also like to say that I am not a company apologist, far from it actually but I do think we need to start being realistic with our complaints of this TA. While not perfect it certainly is not the doom and gloom some people are making it out to be. I am just trying to insert some reason into the discussion and give credit where credit is due.
This TA has many concessions those added with the rates gets the no from me. There are gains. That yes will help the pay differential. But in my opinion they can do better.
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Old 01-02-2024, 09:43 AM
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We set the bottom and have discussions of being at the bottom because we vote yes for these types of contracts.
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Old 01-02-2024, 09:44 AM
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No, not really.
Irony much?
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Old 01-02-2024, 09:58 AM
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Dallas-based Southwest Airlines is topping the list as the largest airline in the world based on available seat

kilometers (ASKs). Throughout 2023, the low-cost airline has been a popular choice in the US domestic market despite its historical meltdown during this time last

year.

With more than 600 billion ASKs, Southwest reportedly surpassed the big three US carriers, succeeding its closest rival, American Airlines, by nearly 10%. The achievement was months in the making, as the airline recently provided details on how it was able to dig itself out of its operational catastrophe.
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Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ
Irony much?
What exactly was I being dramatic about?
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Old 01-02-2024, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
What exactly was I being dramatic about?
Dude. I just used your same words back at you. That's all I meant.
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Old 01-02-2024, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbit64
Respectfully, those items are just what the company said they want the most.
I have absolutely zero faith in anything this company says.
Acta Non Verba.

The covid issues proved the worth of this company's words.
Their actions spoke volumes. 1221, vax or fired, no MOU's while OAL's had multiple agreed MOUs, etc
If it is not written down black and white, they will take the issue to court/arbitration and argue "it's in the ball park".
Has arbitration ever worked out for a pilot group?
I agree. We only think they want co terminals. Also there really is nothing stopping the company from implementing whatever they want first and just say grieve it.
do they adhere to the contract now? Nope. Almost 200 open grievances prior to this TA lasting years.
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Originally Posted by hoover
Almost 200 open grievances prior to this TA lasting years.
Now read the fine print on what authority the JIC (Joint Implementation Committee) and it's SBOA process have, when SWA decides, it's just too hard to implement X by date Y. Z=Another Grievence.
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Originally Posted by Caveman
Now read the fine print on what authority the JIC (Joint Implementation Committee) and it's SBOA process have, when SWA decides, it's just too hard to implement X by date Y. Z=Another Grievence.
yeah its basically zero for us.
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Originally Posted by Caveman
Now read the fine print on what authority the JIC (Joint Implementation Committee) and it's SBOA process have, when SWA decides, it's just too hard to implement X by date Y. Z=Another Grievence.
What grievances? This is a rewrite that takes away contract ambiguity.
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