1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
11-21-2023, 10:24 AM
#1751
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
It will be a nothing. Nobody but a few zealots are going to vote no on a 40 percent compensation increase over a hotel issue.
There is nothing for free even in today’s negotiations so hotels will cost you compensation. You want a change of hotels stop going to work hungry and tired because of crappy hotels.
I’m not arguing the hotels are great but they would be better if people actually complained officially and not on some Internet forum. My biggest response from the hotel people usually starts with a “I am sorry about your experience at _________. Please be assured we will inquire about this but be aware this is the first complaint about ________ at this location” Don’t tell me I am the only one actually trying to work within the system to get hotel quality addressed. BTW after 3 years of a report every time at SMF West Arden it’s nice to see we stay at different properties most of the time as we wind down operations at that crappy hotel.
While I would like it addressed I am not willing to sacrifice anything for hotels. Nothing. Nadda. I am under the belief that nothing is free and while we have the upper hand this cycle it is not unlimited because if it was I want 1000/TFP because unlimited is truly unlimited.
There is nothing for free even in today’s negotiations so hotels will cost you compensation. You want a change of hotels stop going to work hungry and tired because of crappy hotels.
I’m not arguing the hotels are great but they would be better if people actually complained officially and not on some Internet forum. My biggest response from the hotel people usually starts with a “I am sorry about your experience at _________. Please be assured we will inquire about this but be aware this is the first complaint about ________ at this location” Don’t tell me I am the only one actually trying to work within the system to get hotel quality addressed. BTW after 3 years of a report every time at SMF West Arden it’s nice to see we stay at different properties most of the time as we wind down operations at that crappy hotel.
While I would like it addressed I am not willing to sacrifice anything for hotels. Nothing. Nadda. I am under the belief that nothing is free and while we have the upper hand this cycle it is not unlimited because if it was I want 1000/TFP because unlimited is truly unlimited.
11-21-2023, 10:34 AM
#1752
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 195
We will have to disagree right there then. Nothing is free even in today’s environment. You must believe that or you would vote no unless we get 1000/TFP and a new car every month. Using your logic we can get everything….its not possible.
11-21-2023, 10:45 AM
#1753
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,153
I really liked everything SWAPA was doing up until the co-terminal concession. Especially with the sell job from Mike S, that started to smell rotten.
But who knows... maybe they will achieve industry leading career compensation and LTD and work rules and all the other important stuff.
You never know, but when something looks like an error or the wrong direction you can bet a bunch of us are going to speak out. The hope being that the union reps (yes, I spoke to mine) get the displeasure early enough for a course correction.
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11-21-2023, 10:56 AM
#1754
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
We can get the industry leading pay we’ve earned and major improvements in all areas of the contract.
11-21-2023, 10:58 AM
#1755
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
Of course.
I really liked everything SWAPA was doing up until the co-terminal concession. Especially with the sell job from Mike S, that started to smell rotten.
But who knows... maybe they will achieve industry leading career compensation and LTD and work rules and all the other important stuff.
You never know, but when something looks like an error or the wrong direction you can bet a bunch of us are going to speak out. The hope being that the union reps (yes, I spoke to mine) get the displeasure early enough for a course correction.
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I really liked everything SWAPA was doing up until the co-terminal concession. Especially with the sell job from Mike S, that started to smell rotten.
But who knows... maybe they will achieve industry leading career compensation and LTD and work rules and all the other important stuff.
You never know, but when something looks like an error or the wrong direction you can bet a bunch of us are going to speak out. The hope being that the union reps (yes, I spoke to mine) get the displeasure early enough for a course correction.
.
11-21-2023, 11:10 AM
#1756
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 476
If you flew 200 block in the last 3 years, you'd likely have a hard time understanding the angst on hotels and trans.
It's not just the quality, or location, or food, or amenities, nearby attractions, or trans type, trans time. Its waking up 15 days a month to the sounds of construction, the public trans stops where youre riding whats effectively a public bus that makes 3+ stops, AFTER youve waited for girt bars, or inbound FAs. It asinine that it's OK you're not still considered on the clock, and the only recourse is nuke option of fatigue to address it. So it's not just one or two issues. Add the pilot disciplinarIy risk angle, unpaid and unaacounted for duty while in uniform and it's ALL of it.
It's the totality of the hotel/ trans "thing" that's driving the vitrol and rhetoric.
Cue the 737 sprinkle rangers that'll say they boldy go and do what nobody else has done before, because they know better and therefore don't encounter these hotel/trans problems.
Seniority isn't even going to allow you to drive around or over this issue on the way ahead, and just ask yourself, if you think the vector on hotel/trans quality is for the better or worse ...because 7-8 years is a while to live with it.
But it's OK. 2032 is just around the corner. We'll really have cracked the code by then. And have gotten it fixed.
No running water. For real. Right now. It's happening.
Engage your BOD representation. Ask tough questions on why they think that's ok.
It's not just the quality, or location, or food, or amenities, nearby attractions, or trans type, trans time. Its waking up 15 days a month to the sounds of construction, the public trans stops where youre riding whats effectively a public bus that makes 3+ stops, AFTER youve waited for girt bars, or inbound FAs. It asinine that it's OK you're not still considered on the clock, and the only recourse is nuke option of fatigue to address it. So it's not just one or two issues. Add the pilot disciplinarIy risk angle, unpaid and unaacounted for duty while in uniform and it's ALL of it.
It's the totality of the hotel/ trans "thing" that's driving the vitrol and rhetoric.
Cue the 737 sprinkle rangers that'll say they boldy go and do what nobody else has done before, because they know better and therefore don't encounter these hotel/trans problems.
Seniority isn't even going to allow you to drive around or over this issue on the way ahead, and just ask yourself, if you think the vector on hotel/trans quality is for the better or worse ...because 7-8 years is a while to live with it.
But it's OK. 2032 is just around the corner. We'll really have cracked the code by then. And have gotten it fixed.
No running water. For real. Right now. It's happening.
Engage your BOD representation. Ask tough questions on why they think that's ok.
11-21-2023, 11:32 AM
#1757
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 195
Be real, no one is asking for anything unreasonable. You’re apparently trying to protect the company’s interests or worried additional gains will affect your TFP; or you are too impatient to wait and get all we can.
We can get the industry leading pay we’ve earned and major improvements in all areas of the contract.
We can get the industry leading pay we’ve earned and major improvements in all areas of the contract.
Why is my 1000 TFP unreasonable? Maybe because to get 1000 TFP we would have to give up a whole heck of a lot because there are trade offs to attain something. We gave up scheduling, benefits and retirement I betcha we could get close to that. Maybe sleep on the plane to put more into our paycheck???
We will get an industry leading contract, as a whole, but maybe not in individual parts. We will never get some of the things Delta gets, good crew food for instance, but we will most likely get a better insurance product such as STD/LTD/LOL. That part will be industry leading. As long as the whole is the best what do I care.
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
11-21-2023, 11:57 AM
#1758
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 641
Why is my 1000 TFP unreasonable? Maybe because to get 1000 TFP we would have to give up a whole heck of a lot because there are trade offs to attain something. We gave up scheduling, benefits and retirement I betcha we could get close to that. Maybe sleep on the plane to put more into our paycheck???
We will get an industry leading contract, as a whole, but maybe not in individual parts. We will never get some of the things Delta gets, good crew food for instance, but we will most likely get a better insurance product such as STD/LTD/LOL. That part will be industry leading. As long as the whole is the best what do I care.
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
We will get an industry leading contract, as a whole, but maybe not in individual parts. We will never get some of the things Delta gets, good crew food for instance, but we will most likely get a better insurance product such as STD/LTD/LOL. That part will be industry leading. As long as the whole is the best what do I care.
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
11-21-2023, 12:15 PM
#1759
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 310
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
I am feeling the frustration of waiting on FAs that I didn't really have in years past. Especially now when it seems like more and more will sit on their phones one gate over and not come over to relieve the outgoing crew until they absolutely have to. I just stand there and give them the death stare.
11-21-2023, 12:33 PM
#1760
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
Why is my 1000 TFP unreasonable? Maybe because to get 1000 TFP we would have to give up a whole heck of a lot because there are trade offs to attain something. We gave up scheduling, benefits and retirement I betcha we could get close to that. Maybe sleep on the plane to put more into our paycheck???
We will get an industry leading contract, as a whole, but maybe not in individual parts. We will never get some of the things Delta gets, good crew food for instance, but we will most likely get a better insurance product such as STD/LTD/LOL. That part will be industry leading. As long as the whole is the best what do I care.
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
We will get an industry leading contract, as a whole, but maybe not in individual parts. We will never get some of the things Delta gets, good crew food for instance, but we will most likely get a better insurance product such as STD/LTD/LOL. That part will be industry leading. As long as the whole is the best what do I care.
Hotels are a very crazy thing. At another shop I worked on the hotel committee, this is why I feel the way I feel. It was impossible to get even 50 percent of the people happy about where we stayed. Some people wanted close to airport others wanted downtown, for the same 14 hour overnight btw. Some put weight toward places to eat and others just wanted a nice gym. Some wanted discounted bar and others didn’t care. It was infuriating to say the least. Then you throw in the financial constraints the company was willing to pay. I only did it for 1 year before I quit as I got tired of the constant complaining.
Fatigue if you are tired, at showtime btw, and constantly send in reports of the hotels. I don’t want a single ounce of negotiating capital wasted on hotels if it means I lose compensation.
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