Originally Posted by Lewbronski

GK wasn’t wrong. It is what we negotiated. Or more accurately, it’s what we failed to negotiate.

WE didn’t make sure we have contractual protections to adequately cover our pilots out on disability. And many of them paid the price for us disregarding that as either not that important, or something “we’ll get next cycle,” or something not worth sacrificing something else for in the mistaken belief that the RLA requires us to give something up in order to get something so that we’re perceived as negotiating in good faith. News flash: the RLA doesn’t require that.

It’s up to us to negotiate the contract in a way that creates the lives that we want for ourselves and our families. The corporation, being a corporation in a capitalist society based on greed and competition, wants all of the pie for themselves. They only want to leave enough of a warmed-over, frazzled sliver of pie for you and your family so that they can be reasonably sure that you’ll show up and won’t crash their jets.

We are not in a cult. We are not family. We are not blood brothers. We owe them nothing. They owe us nothing.

Herb is dead. And behold, he’s not riding back from the grave on a white horse to save us. It’s just business. It’s up to us to do whatever needs to be done.

Don’t blame the company for the way the contract is written and the way they exploit the loopholes we ratified into it When the TA comes, don’t succumb to short-term money hunger and negotiation fatigue. If you vote yes to a deficient TA, point the finger at yourself if you end up realizing it was a mistake after the fact.

And realize many of the SWAPA people who negotiate the contract, as well meaning as they may be if they explicitly or implicitly recommend voting yes, will not have to live anywhere near as much as you will under the TA’s work rules. Here’s a rhetorical question for you: how many block hours has our former association president, who may have single-handedly created the impetus for the majority yes vote surrounding our current contract when he told everyone how he was voting, flown under our work rules since the TA was ratified?

And also realize that the SWAPA people who will have crafted the TA, when it comes, will be deeply invested in it. It will be their baby. They’ve been working on it for years. They will be protective of it. That’s not saying anything bad about them. That’s just human nature. Remember that when they’re selling it but swear they’re not selling it.

Originally Posted by SlipKid

You. Complete. Me.......



All 100% correct. I can't wait to see how the usual suspects argue for and defend voting YES! on yet another industry lagging TA.

Until after it passes, of course, when few will admit to voting YES!

I would love to be wrong.

Originally Posted by mulcher

Its coming and be ready to be disappointed. Can’t wait to hear better to lock in gains now. Won’t get more on TA2. It’s not worth waiting for. You would vote no because of that. Casey says it’s the best we can get he’s voting yes. Blah blah.

Originally Posted by Mozam

The company will not have a problem hiring 1500 hr pilots and/ or having R-ATP. They are already telling captain upgrades they will be flying with very low time new hire pilots .

Originally Posted by man2112

Yet they still won't count ANY helicopter time towards total time. They'd get a lot more of us MIL R-ATP guys if they did.

Originally Posted by Zard

That might be changing.

Originally Posted by man2112

Yet they still won't count ANY helicopter time towards total time. They'd get a lot more of us MIL R-ATP guys if they did.

Originally Posted by Liberty

If you’ve got to count helicopter time in order to come up with 1500 hours to get a job at a major airline, 🤦‍♂️

Originally Posted by Proximity

The mins are a multi engine land ATP. There are NO hour requirements.

Don’t see how counting helicopter time is going to help, the mins are at the regulatory requirements already and can’t be lowered further.