Profane Kahuna

Union busting 101 right there. Trash talking anyone who dares speak out against the company offer.

As far as “not reading good”….. saying “only 20%” of hard lines is not a strong defense. That means 100% of reserve and blank lines could be built out of the co-terminal. The “only 20%” is a shiny object in one hand, while the hand behind the back has the bad stuff.

Good luck with your continued efforts to sell a turd!


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flyguy81

Sure, that could happen. But like I said on another post....we have at most 2-3 gates and a handful of flights at the cross town airports. There isn't enough flights in the day to make 100% of blanks and rsv's have to deal with it, and there won't be unless ORD and IAH expand gates and allocate us some.

Unreal

Yep. The co-term thing was sprung out of nowhere, whereas the rest of the items were polled exhaustively, discussed, etc. When it was initially announced I engaged my reps (who are on the record against it) and the NC. My reps are listening, but it doesn’t seem like anyone is listening to them. Sad to see something so clearly divisive introduced into an otherwise promising process. It’s sort of a dead horse at this point until the language comes out and all the details are known. Then we all can vote our interests, for better or worse.

That being said the other tidbits we’ve received are encouraging. I’m very interested to hear the full details on disability and LCO (though I’m still nervous about giving away move up).

Time will tell. Until then we can all chill (or stand around screaming at each other on the internet lol).

ElonMusk

I am not selling anything. I am saying I think it’s a good deal and I stay within the realm of reality to come to those conclusions. I haven’t read anything that dissuades me from my initial assessment but I am expecting more information to come out that I will read and then make my final opinion.

You on the other hand have shown your mind is made up and not only that you come up with straw man arguments to bolster your point. Keep it real man, there are negative potentials to co basing but you making up things does not further your argument. In fact it does the opposite of your intent.

Profane Kahuna

Yes my mind is made up to call out anyone selling a turd.

Especially when they tell anyone opposed to the company’s offer that they need to stop, or take a break, etc. Every pilot has the right to call a turd a turd.

There are no straw men here. Everything in my list comes from a claim or a promise that a yessie made in this thread.

I can’t believe people are ready to pledge a yes vote to this concession without waiting for the language. Somethings smells rotten.



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RJSAviator76

OK, I think we figured out what the problem is... You're having difficult time comprehending what you read. Or you're just trolling.

Profane Kahuna

Another yessie attempting to stifle anyone who calls the concession to the company a turd.

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hoover

you've mentioned proffering reserve several times as a way to never fly in the other co domicile, that and ELITT.
1sr- proffering. Has there been language put out on this? I know we're asking for it (and I'm for it in theory) but I'm curious if you've heard more than me.
for instance the stews have this and its limited by a certain time you can grab a trip and by how quick you are. I've seen it in action and it's very hard to get anything you'd want based on their rules. If its the same its basically worthless. So until we see the language and restrictions on proffering I dont think that's a valid reason for making sure you'll never fly at a co domicile.
2nd- ELLIT. Same kind of problem as the 1st one. We dont have the new language and if it's the same then we all know how hard it is to trade trips that are not on a weekend. This is limited by inventory. Now I'm sure there will be more non co domicile flying than not but if it is undesirable then thats what will be left over after the first 7 min.
also unless you're working weekends it's kinda a crap shoot if you'll be able to trade out of it. Therefore , I do not think ELITT is a good enough reason to be able to avoid CO domicile flying.
so what's left for the jr pilots to make sure they dont fly in the co domiciles?
we know all reserves are responsible, all blanks can have co domiciles and 20% hard lines. So if you needed to avoid it youd have to be at a min 50% in base to have the bidding power to avoid it.
all this is to say it isnt as easy as you've been saying to avoid it.

RJSAviator76

Yessie? LOL... Stifle? Quite the contrary. Trying to point out to you and others that your fears as you listed them are addressed and aren't rooted in reality because of things like math and individual preferences as broken down by locals and commuters, reserve vs. line holder. And this is the best you can do? Disappointing, but par for the course.

RJSAviator76

Both the union and the company mentioned that proffering has been agreed to. I know that OAL's rely predominately on proffering for their co-terminal bidding and reserve and while they have paid parking at co-terminals, they don't offer their reserves transportation to/from co-terminals - it's on the reserve themselves, and that's where we top them (reserve) as our transport to/from the co-terminal will be covered by the company.

I don't think this will be nearly as complicated. From what I've read, in your bid packet, you'll see which lines are co-terminal lines, kinda like checking off ETOPS now. That's how you'll bid it, except the whole line will be pure co-terminal or pure regular base. And just like with ETOPS and how you can ELITT into or out of an ETOPS trip, you should be able to do the same with co-terminal flying. If you want to fly a mix of co-terminal vs. not, or just stick with co-terminal, or just stick with original base flying, you should be able to get what you want. From talking with my friends, generally, they seem to have substantially more trips in OT that are in original base than at co-terminal. My AA friend showed me LAX 737 open time (their version of our ELITT).... there was over 30 open trips in November for LAX proper, only 2 for SNA and 0 for SAN. Apparently, that's very common as co-terminal flying gets snatched up first. In our case, it really wouldn't surprise me at all if the co-terminal flying ended up being like ETOPS flying.... good luck seeing any in ELITT beyond maybe the first minute or in TTGA. Between the locals snatching it up and the commuters who may have a much easier commute to the big airport than ours.... good luck getting one. I do think the co-terminals will be great for TTGA - trading or giving away.