rickair7777

Your boyz must employ the same union busters as AS. 787 growth

ElonMusk

What lie? It clearly says 20 percent of hard lines. Nobody has seen the actual language so you seem to be getting upset over something you are interpreting to be a problem that you have no idea if it is addressed or not.

if you are on reserve you get 3 hours or premium pay. You can stop in DAL and take an Uber if you want or roll into DFW and use the valet parking service, they will wash the car for you on your return BTW. It’s your choice.

When I lived in Frisco I would have loved to head on down the 121 to DFW then deal with traffic on 75 or the DNT.

Just like everything at this company and contract, take what you want to use and avoid the stuff you don’t want to deal with.

Profane Kahuna

Nope, that is wrong.

Straight from what the union put out. The “only 20%” protection applies to hard lines. Blanks and reserve have no protections and can be 100%.

No one automatically gets premium. Hard lines…. no premium. Blanks….. no premium. Reserve…. no premium, unless it is a less than 3 hour callout AND you beat the 3 hour clock to the airport. So for the people who live 2 hours to the east of say DAL, there is no chance they ever get that premium because cross town traffic will make it damn near impossible to drive the extra distance to DFW within an additional hour.

It’s amazing that a small amount of people are selling this concession so hard, when they haven’t even read the language yet.


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RJSAviator76

This "shorter drive" excuse is really comical and almost not even worth replying to because it's a simpleton straw argument which is absurd, particularly considering our career values, how often we commute to/from work, etc. But since this is brought up by more than one person, it may be worth talking about.

In a multimillion dollar career, do you really give a damn if your drive is 10-20 minutes longer 4 times a month? Or 5? You may, but I'd bet that overwhelming majority of pilots couldn't give two rats' about it, especially considering what our careers are worth. It certainly isn't for me. 15 miles difference for me. This may make difference to someone barely making ends meet and doing the drive every day... To most pilots who make the drive 4-5 times PER MONTH, well.... it just doesn't matter. But sure is nice to have choices...

Now, I've beaten the commuter drum too, and how many more options we have commuting to the big airport and not just depend on us, but you conveniently ignored that as well.... Yet, you talk about 'I-got-mine.' That's rich...



OK, math time. 20% is the maximum allowed. It could and likely will be quite a bit lower unless and until the company develops those markets, at which point 20% is the contractual limit.

For example, 500 hard lines in base.
Maximum of 100 possible hard lines in co-terminal (20%).

Blanks come from mil, vacation, training pulls, etc. Do you think that everyone will bid co-terminal flying when they go on vacation and that's all that will be in blanks? Seriously... answer me this. Also, do you really think that co-terminal flying will be so junior that you will be forced to "drive extra 2 hours" for it and that not one local who lives closer to the co-terminal, or prefers trips out of co-terminals, or has a much easier commute to a co-terminal than to our base wouldn't bid on that flying? The math and the reality just don't agree with you.

Who will drive extra 2 hours? You, based on you "buying in the right part of town"? And everyone else is selfish? If you say so... As for me, I'll be the one bidding reserve, proffer for any co-terminal flying, if there is any, as it usually goes senior, and get chauffeured to/from work in Uber Black every time flying out of co-terminal. It'll be like international and ETOPS flying. First, you'll have people avoiding it altogether because they're scared of it. Then you won't be able to touch any of it because the word will get out and it'll go stupid senior.

hoover

one thing is for sure...people sure have opinions on this unlike most of the rest of the flight plan.
Pretty much everything else the vast majority support. That is not the case with co domiciles. Most likely because there was no real polling, no education, and no additional polling. I bet if they did there would have been a different response to this getting AIPd.
That's my big gripe. No one knew about it until it was done. One question in a poll 3 yrs after flight plan was developed isnt good enough.
SWAPA did not speak for me on this one, or even listen to me, and barely asked.
Should have never been agreed to in this way

Profane Kahuna

So far the yessies for this concession have promised:

-Free airplane parking
-Free valet car parking and wash
-the absolutely ridiculous claim that SWAPA has done co-terminals better than all the OALs
-Home basing out of SAN for LAX pilots
-United pilots totally enjoy co-terminals….. it has NOTHING to do with United having to offer street Captains
-etc, etc, etc

It’s seriously as if Tom D got kicked off the union forum and now spends his time here.


NO CONCESSIONS !


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RJSAviator76

Agreed. I took my time to study this and based on talking with friends at other airlines, I really think our NC did this right. From addressing new hire reserves and new captains by taking the transportation out of equation (at OAL's, you're still on your own to cover co-terminals on reserve, but they do pay for parking), to reserve proffering so you can avoid co-terminal flying altogether if you don't want that, to allowing flexibility for locals and ability to ELITT in and out of co-terminals if you choose to. I see complaints, but I'm yet to see what we gave up that wasn't addressed by the NC. I mean seriously.... drive time?! Don't want to fly out of co-terminal and you're a line holder who actually got co-terminal flying?? It's like being a PM'er and getting an AM line... ELITT out of it. Hell... now, even reserve will get to ELITT reserve blocks and have proffering. I want to see more language and ask A LOT of questions and hear a lot of intelligent questions and watch how NC and SWAPA leadership answer it. I do think that we've been really making a mountain out of a molehill with respect to this, especially in the grand scheme of things.

In the end, as I said before, you'll have your 10%-15% who will vote no on anything; you'll have your 10%-15% yessies who'll vote yes on anything. And then you'll have the big majority who will decide. My reason for engaging in this discussion is not so much for pi$$ing into the wind arguing with 10% no (or 10% yes) crowd, but to state the facts as released by the union and have the silent majority who may not engage have an accurate picture so they can balance it all and be an educated voter.

RJSAviator76

ElonMusk

First of all you don’t read to well. I assume Texas public school???

I clearly stated 20 percent of hard lines yet you said I was wrong and it’s 20 percent of hard lines. You didn’t read because you are so emotional right now.

Who offered free airplane parking? I specifically stated that’s how a United pilot does it. I have no idea if WN would pay for that.

Yes valet parking would be covered and yes they clean your car.

Nobody said WN will include SAN. Once again the poster says that is what another airline does. Nowhere did he say WN would.

You need to calm down and take a breath. So far you have been wrong 100 percent of the time on your response.

Take a break man.

mulcher

I think thats whackadoodle sarcasm.