Mozam

Yet they call themselves the LUV airline .

Hobbit64

Didn’t GK, the ‘Goose Killer’ deflect this by saying “well that’s what they negotiated”? It was in response to a pilot losing travel privileges when he was trying to get to chemo treatments.
maybe I have that wrong

Mozam

You do not have anything wrong. If you are not producing at this place they have not need for you. You are dead weight in the eyes of HQ

mulcher

I didn’t hear that in regards to that. He did say it about the industry lagging 800 yessie vote.

Zard

GK said it was a topic for negotiations when the cancer patient asked him to his face about pass privileges for those on LTD. Just in case you were wondering what kulture is like at the top.

Hobbit64

Thanks. I must’ve conflated the -800 rates & Pass Privileges.

loveislost7M8

Today is February 14th (Valentines Day) 2023 and we are NOT feeling the LUV! Its been 896 since our contract became amendable, and 85 pilots have left SWA since December 2021 which is the equivalent of 2 full new hire classes that have quit!

Lewbronski

GK wasn’t wrong. It is what we negotiated. Or more accurately, it’s what we failed to negotiate.

WE didn’t make sure we have contractual protections to adequately cover our pilots out on disability. And many of them paid the price for us disregarding that as either not that important, or something “we’ll get next cycle,” or something not worth sacrificing something else for in the mistaken belief that the RLA requires us to give something up in order to get something so that we’re perceived as negotiating in good faith. News flash: the RLA doesn’t require that.

It’s up to us to negotiate the contract in a way that creates the lives that we want for ourselves and our families. The corporation, being a corporation in a capitalist society based on greed and competition, wants all of the pie for themselves. They only want to leave enough of a warmed-over, frazzled sliver of pie for you and your family so that they can be reasonably sure that you’ll show up and won’t crash their jets.

We are not in a cult. We are not family. We are not blood brothers. We owe them nothing. They owe us nothing.

Herb is dead. And behold, he’s not riding back from the grave on a white horse to save us. It’s just business. It’s up to us to do whatever needs to be done.

Don’t blame the company for the way the contract is written and the way they exploit the loopholes we ratified into it When the TA comes, don’t succumb to short-term money hunger and negotiation fatigue. If you vote yes to a deficient TA, point the finger at yourself if you end up realizing it was a mistake after the fact.

And realize many of the SWAPA people who negotiate the contract, as well meaning as they may be if they explicitly or implicitly recommend voting yes, will not have to live anywhere near as much as you will under the TA’s work rules. Here’s a rhetorical question for you: how many block hours has our former association president, who may have single-handedly created the impetus for the majority yes vote surrounding our current contract when he told everyone how he was voting, flown under our work rules since the TA was ratified?

And also realize that the SWAPA people who will have crafted the TA, when it comes, will be deeply invested in it. It will be their baby. They’ve been working on it for years. They will be protective of it. That’s not saying anything bad about them. That’s just human nature. Remember that when they’re selling it but swear they’re not selling it.

mulcher

Yeah I need to learn about KULTure at the top. I’ve been the one screaming how ****ty we are treated on disability for almost a decade. Lived it myself. I’ve never heard that about him. But thanks for teaching me. LMAO! Now get the 84% educated that keep yessieing these lagging contracts. Negotiating fatigue is setting in and people just want a contract.

Hotel Kilo

A point of order

Herb wouldn't be riding on a pony

He'd be on a Harley. With flames coming out of the pipes and a human skull mounted in between the handle bars (think "Lone Biker of the Apocalypse" ala Raising Arizona).

Seriously though, I have/had many friends at SWA (I'm old timer DAL guy). Hope you guys get what you justly deserve - a contract befitting all the hard work you do for your customers and each other.