Profane Kahuna

That’s a lot of words just to say “you should shut up and wait for the turd, then vote”.

Pilots have the right to speak up now, it will save everyone time and money if the union listens.

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mulcher

All it shows it to join the Jim Cramer club.

mulcher

Some of us see it. This SWAPA isn’t any different.

RJSAviator76

I never said you should shut up. But you don't speak for me, and clearly we disagree on issues and even what's industry-leading or what's industry-standard. Use co-terminals as an example. I see them as a good deal pending seeing the final language; you on the other hand are ready to vote down the contract squarely over that issue alone... or at least indicated that way.

So... speak up. Shoot holes. You may change my mind, or you may not. People have different priorities and pain points. I like it when people present a logical argument even if I may disagree with it. I'm happy to debate and articulate points and present my thoughts. One liners and innuendo simply don't impress me.

Profane Kahuna

Every time someone mentions they don’t like a concession the union has made, you comment against that person. Your actions speak louder than words.


SWAPA has been doing great. But with some of their recent stumbles, more and more people are speaking out. That is a GREAT thing because it can prevent a bad TA1 or a United Tumi situation…… if the union listens.

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Grumpyaviator

Nov 1 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) said on Wednesday it is cutting some corporate jobs to better manage costs, at a time when the industry grapples with higher fuel and labor expenses.

Delta did not specify how many jobs it is cutting, but said the layoffs do not affect frontline workers like pilots or flight attendants.

"While we're not yet back to full capacity, now is the time to make adjustments to programs, budgets and organizational structures across Delta to meet our stated goals," the company told Reuters in an emailed statement.

"One part of this effort includes adjustments to corporate staffing in support of these changes."

CNBC first reported the layoff news.

The cuts come after Georgia-based Delta said earlier in the day that it would cancel its flights between Tel Aviv and New York through Nov. 21 amid growing tensions in the Middle East.

In October, the company trimmed its full-year profitoutlook due to higher fuel costs. Rising fuel prices are estimated to inflate Delta's costs by $400 million in the second half of the year.

Reporting by Gursimran Kaur and Utkarsh Shetti; Editing by Subhranshu Sahu

RJSAviator76

I don't see this as a concession. I see this as enabling growth-limited/constrained bases being allowed to grow and people in those bases getting to enjoy the growth of their seniority. The increased flying out of proposed co-terminals (DFW, IAH, ORD) is gonna happen, PERIOD. The question is only which base(s) get to cover it, which base(s) get the seniority movement, and which base(s) stagnate because they're growth limited and cannot accept more pairings or people.

Naturally, if you're based at a non-co-terminal base, you don't want co-terminals because stagnating other domiciles means artificially inflating your base seniority because you'll still have to cover more IAH, ORD and DFW originators and terminators, especially if more growth goes there. That means if you live in a proposed co-terminal, you'll spend longer time on reserve, it means if you want to upgrade, you'll have to commute or wait it out quite a bit longer than elsewhere, bidding for vacation at reduced seniority, etc. In other words, you're trying to stagnate 3 of our bases for your goal and you mask it by using an emotionally charged word "concession."

I'm more in favor of balanced growth across all the bases, not just selected ones.

Amazingly, you seem to love using the phrase "industry-standard" or "industry-leading..." And my actions vs. my words? Funny... come back with an intelligent answer and we can have a debate. Running around in circles with ears plugged, eyes closed, and shouting "concession, concession" isn't an argument, let alone an intelligent one.

mulcher

They can still add flying to ALL bases without coterm. Just you won’t be able to drive or commute to the coterm. It’s been explained yet you continue to plug your ears, close you eyes and say I’m not listening because my argument is smarter than yours. GMAB! Smarter people than you OTOF have explained this in detail. There is a very small number of the total pilot group that might benefit from coterm. Yet your ignorance looks at that as a win for the pilot group. Notice how they aren’t in the FAs TA? They said it can be addressed with an MOU if needed.

RJSAviator76

Explain to me how do you grow a base that's limited by real estate, the number of gates, etc.

mulcher

It’s not that hard. You are so smart, figure it out. It’s been explained OTOF.