1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
10-30-2023, 04:53 PM
#1453
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,249
HOU Update: Culture Shift
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
• Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
• Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
• If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
• When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
• Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
• If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
• Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
• Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity,
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
• Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
• Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
• If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
• When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
• Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
• If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
• Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
• Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity,
10-30-2023, 05:03 PM
#1454
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 991
Those of us who've said separate transportation and hotels are a line in the sand continue to be pooh-poohed by the koolaid crowd. Read the tea leaves....the days of boozing it up with a bunch of 20 something smoke-shows in hot pants are over. Act accordingly.
10-30-2023, 05:57 PM
#1455
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Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 202
i guess add this one to the list of reasons not to work for SWA
"Disturbing….
1,154 Days Since Our Contract Became Amendable
272 Pilots Have Left SWA This Year
October 30, 2023
HOU Update: Culture Shift
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity, HOU SWAPA Reps"
"Disturbing….
1,154 Days Since Our Contract Became Amendable
272 Pilots Have Left SWA This Year
October 30, 2023
HOU Update: Culture Shift
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity, HOU SWAPA Reps"
10-30-2023, 07:19 PM
#1456
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,831
i guess add this one to the list of reasons not to work for SWA
"Disturbing….
1,154 Days Since Our Contract Became Amendable
272 Pilots Have Left SWA This Year
October 30, 2023
HOU Update: Culture Shift
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity, HOU SWAPA Reps"
"Disturbing….
1,154 Days Since Our Contract Became Amendable
272 Pilots Have Left SWA This Year
October 30, 2023
HOU Update: Culture Shift
This message is crucial, and it should be shared widely.
Workplace dynamics have evolved, and we’re observing unsettling trends in our base. It’s vital for everyone to acknowledge that the past culture is no longer in place, and we must emphasize our professionalism as Pilots.
In what appears to be a sudden shift away from how issues have been handled in the past, it seems that all discipline now comes from Dallas, not our Chiefs, and they believe that someone must be held accountable for any situation. Unlike the past where honesty and owning up to mistakes could lead to a fair resolution, today, Flight Ops management will determine the outcome. It’s disheartening that Pilots who don’t know you, your base, or even fly the line will decide whether you deserve a second chance or potentially letters in your file. We have seen this disciplinary pattern carried out with the other labor groups, and it now seems Flight Ops will be doing the same.
While SWAPA does not agree with the way the Company is handling many disciplinary issues, in keeping with the mantra "accept no unnecessary risk," we recommend the following.
Be cautious and avoid making jokes with passengers or colleagues.
Ensure you don’t overlook anything during your walk-around checks.
If you witness another employee group mistreating passengers, it’s best to walk away and report it to Pro Standards.
When commuting or nonrevving, abstain from drinking alcohol or getting involved with the crew during the flight, regardless of the pass type.
Avoid discussing political or religious matters at work or on social media; there will be consequences.
If your actions might be viewed as noncompliant with procedures or policies, refrain from taking them.
Recognize that years of loyal service and hard work might not carry the weight it once did.
Remember, the Chiefs who know you personally are not the ones determining the outcome. Flight Ops management in Dallas, who knows you only as an employee number, is determining your fate.
It troubles me to write this way but as a Pilot group, it’s time to concentrate on the job and to shut out the noise around us. The old way of doing things is gone, replaced by a culture of blame, fear, and retribution. It appears that Southwest Airlines management has disconnected from the daily operational reality, treating mistakes in a binary manner without considering context, and holding you guilty until proven innocent.
If you ever have doubts, your first step should be to call SWAPA for guidance. Keep in mind that anything you say to a Chief, supervisor, or manager may be used against you.
Your Union stands ready to defend you whenever you call but do yourself and your family a favor by having awareness of your environment and the threats that surround you at all times.
In Unity, HOU SWAPA Reps"
10-31-2023, 03:31 AM
#1457
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,189
The loudest voices supporting this concession are the ones who think they have something to gain from it in the form of growth promises and a shorter drive to work in exchange for pay and QOL for the rest of us.
When in the history of this career has the promise to grow in exchange for contract items ever come to fruition? Now tell me how many times it has blown up in the pilots' faces. This is all about DC and California.
I am not assigning homework because that's lame, but ask someone who knows about how we got ELITT (vs plain LITT) and flying 800's and how that worked out for the pilot group. SWAPA has a rich history of screwing the many to help out the few. Anyone ever hear about how those Herb stock options worked out for junior pilots? Those guys must have gotten rich!
I know many of these items have been touched on by Slip and others on this very forum. How about no open time giveaway? Who did that help out? Reduced sick accrual for premium trips? The repeated attempts to shut down Lance Captain? I could go on and on.
Yep, it’s kinda lame how easily some pilots loyalty can be bought. Especially when the scenario is literally Lucy with the football and the suckers are Charlie Brown.
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10-31-2023, 06:37 AM
#1458
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,249
10-31-2023, 07:49 AM
#1459
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
10-31-2023, 07:50 AM
#1460
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Posts: 1,249
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