1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
09-30-2023, 06:45 AM
#1351
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,018
Except....
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
09-30-2023, 07:17 AM
#1352
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 321
Agree. Lots of outrage with few details. If you’re upset because we offered anything to the company whatsoever, then it would appear you don’t understand how mediated negotiations work. If you’re upset about co-terminals conceptually, then wait for the final language and the education that SWAPA will have to put out about it and if you still don’t like it enough to poison the whole deal, vote no. We all have one vote.
I worked under coterminals at another airline where the company contracted a shuttle to run between the two airports (with a stop at a street with multiple crashpads on it) and I still was never called to fly out of the other airport. I think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill about this for no reason other than we needed something new to be outraged about.
I worked under coterminals at another airline where the company contracted a shuttle to run between the two airports (with a stop at a street with multiple crashpads on it) and I still was never called to fly out of the other airport. I think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill about this for no reason other than we needed something new to be outraged about.
09-30-2023, 04:04 PM
#1353
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
With the latest NC update about how the company is again now stalling and not showing up prepared. Good thing swapa agreed to co terminals to get things moving.
the company can not be trusted. They stall, un AIP sections and we give them stuff to keep it going then they stall again. Way go NC! Maybe we can give up sick bank as well to keep things moving, after all it was polled... so its totally ok to AIP then.
the company can not be trusted. They stall, un AIP sections and we give them stuff to keep it going then they stall again. Way go NC! Maybe we can give up sick bank as well to keep things moving, after all it was polled... so its totally ok to AIP then.
09-30-2023, 04:19 PM
#1354
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,651
Dramatic
Freak out
Two terms that have zero to do with my state of mind surrounding this.
Here are a couple of terms that describe what I am feeling:
Mistrust
Disappointment
Those of you who haven't been here a while are in for a treat. The loudest voices supporting this concession are the ones who think they have something to gain from it in the form of growth promises and a shorter drive to work in exchange for pay and QOL for the rest of us.
When in the history of this career has the promise to grow in exchange for contract items ever come to fruition? Now tell me how many times it has blown up in the pilots' faces. This is all about DC and California.
I am not assigning homework because that's lame, but ask someone who knows about how we got ELITT (vs plain LITT) and flying 800's and how that worked out for the pilot group. SWAPA has a rich history of screwing the many to help out the few. Anyone ever hear about how those Herb stock options worked out for junior pilots? Those guys must have gotten rich!
I know many of these items have been touched on by Slip and others on this very forum. How about no open time giveaway? Who did that help out? Reduced sick accrual for premium trips? The repeated attempts to shut down Lance Captain? I could go on and on.
Freak out
Two terms that have zero to do with my state of mind surrounding this.
Here are a couple of terms that describe what I am feeling:
Mistrust
Disappointment
Those of you who haven't been here a while are in for a treat. The loudest voices supporting this concession are the ones who think they have something to gain from it in the form of growth promises and a shorter drive to work in exchange for pay and QOL for the rest of us.
When in the history of this career has the promise to grow in exchange for contract items ever come to fruition? Now tell me how many times it has blown up in the pilots' faces. This is all about DC and California.
I am not assigning homework because that's lame, but ask someone who knows about how we got ELITT (vs plain LITT) and flying 800's and how that worked out for the pilot group. SWAPA has a rich history of screwing the many to help out the few. Anyone ever hear about how those Herb stock options worked out for junior pilots? Those guys must have gotten rich!
I know many of these items have been touched on by Slip and others on this very forum. How about no open time giveaway? Who did that help out? Reduced sick accrual for premium trips? The repeated attempts to shut down Lance Captain? I could go on and on.
09-30-2023, 05:19 PM
#1355
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2023
Posts: 10
Except....
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
4. A shorter drive to start their full 14 hr duty day because they’ve lost out on the DHs those tris could have started with. They could have enjoyed a shorter day with more pay and still the same quick drive.
5. Having to self assign on reserve to avoid a drive across town is not a step forward for many of us. Those that live in base mostly prefer not to be used. Of the 30 or so people on the DAL RCO today I didn’t see one fly preference.
Having a longer call out just to have time to make a longer drive (uncompensated) is not an improvement either. The short call out premium on day one is nice, but we all know those will be optimized to an absolute minimum. I can’t wait til see the STC solutions they come up with for this.
6. It will affect everyone in the 3 initial bases one way or another. Less lines to choose from, less DHs to take advantage of, etc etc. Even if they don’t expand it out from there, the import/export of reserve flying will likely have untold effects on other bases as well.
7. It may go senior. Or the lines may suck and it may go junior. Nobody knows. How confident are you that scheduling will deliver a win here for the pilots?
8. There are many here that could potentially be negatively affected, and not just the ones with farther drives. Wouldn’t those with shorter drives be better off starting a trip with a DH dropped on either end? Shorter duty day with more pay? Commuters losing out on more DH trips? This is not just about drive time.
Look, I get it that this may work for your personal situation. I also get that there are others that will see this as a good deal. But please understand that for many of us this is not looking like a win. What are sprinkles for you have the potential to be QOL crushing boulders for others. In this negotiating environment large portions of the pilot group should not be forced to take an “L” to secure wins for others. I’m reserving final judgment until the language is fully released (I know it doesn’t seem like it, but I’m trying anyway lol). But so far I’m not excited about this.
09-30-2023, 08:36 PM
#1356
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 36
Except....
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?
2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.
3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.
4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.
5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.
6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.
7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.
8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.
9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.
10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.
And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?
10-01-2023, 07:21 AM
#1357
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
4. A shorter drive to start their full 14 hr duty day because they’ve lost out on the DHs those tris could have started with. They could have enjoyed a shorter day with more pay and still the same quick drive.
5. Having to self assign on reserve to avoid a drive across town is not a step forward for many of us. Those that live in base mostly prefer not to be used. Of the 30 or so people on the DAL RCO today I didn’t see one fly preference.
Having a longer call out just to have time to make a longer drive (uncompensated) is not an improvement either. The short call out premium on day one is nice, but we all know those will be optimized to an absolute minimum. I can’t wait til see the STC solutions they come up with for this.
6. It will affect everyone in the 3 initial bases one way or another. Less lines to choose from, less DHs to take advantage of, etc etc. Even if they don’t expand it out from there, the import/export of reserve flying will likely have untold effects on other bases as well.
7. It may go senior. Or the lines may suck and it may go junior. Nobody knows. How confident are you that scheduling will deliver a win here for the pilots?
8. There are many here that could potentially be negatively affected, and not just the ones with farther drives. Wouldn’t those with shorter drives be better off starting a trip with a DH dropped on either end? Shorter duty day with more pay? Commuters losing out on more DH trips? This is not just about drive time.
Look, I get it that this may work for your personal situation. I also get that there are others that will see this as a good deal. But please understand that for many of us this is not looking like a win. What are sprinkles for you have the potential to be QOL crushing boulders for others. In this negotiating environment large portions of the pilot group should not be forced to take an “L” to secure wins for others. I’m reserving final judgment until the language is fully released (I know it doesn’t seem like it, but I’m trying anyway lol). But so far I’m not excited about this.
Good discussion.
10-01-2023, 09:51 AM
#1358
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2023
Posts: 10
And we still don't know the final product either now, do we?
14 hours huh? Maybe check how much that would pay under the new rules. Besides, do you really think we won't have DH's to bases? I keep getting alerts to cover my desired base from other bases because idiocy runs deep in scheduling with their STC buffoonery.
Maybe not for you because of what you prioritize. I want to catch a commutable pairing, or maybe a shorter pairing to keep my block low, or I want to have a certain layover, or I want to minimize or maximize a certain parameter for whatever reason, with proffering, I get to do that vs. currently, I can call and pray that some minimum wage 182xxx actually take my preferences into account when they're under no obligation to. To me, this is a gain.
Why do you think the company will drop already established markets out of our established bases just to try the new ones out of a co-terminal? That doesn't even make any sense. With respect to DH's... already asked and answered. You can apply that argument to opening any new base. I used to love a good double DH to LAX.... and still do now that it's a base. So are we gonna be mad that BNA is gonna be a base now too because in your view, not only will it minimize the DH's to it, it'll also reduce a great layover for many.... Should we also kick and scream because a couple hundred people may get relocation allowance and the rest of us get hosed by "losing DH's and a great layover"?
Are you saying that lines now are good? What makes a sucky line? Or a good line for that matter? I hate CONUS 4-day trips. But others love them. Players want low block time and want rigged trips, others want higher paying trips. It's an individual preference. Now, suppose you live in WI... what would you want more, a drive to MDW for a "good" line , whatever that is, or a much shorter drive and less aggravation? It's a highly individual decision, but the fact that there will be far fewer lines out of co-terminals says that they'll probably go substantially more senior.
Already addressed. See the answer to your #6.
Absolutely it works in my personal situation and probably for every pilot who has an open mind: It means that my domicile and ergo my seniority progression are no longer constrained by the lack of real estate but by SWA imagination and business acumen. If this is the tool to expand my domicile and ergo my seniority and not stagnate it, is it really a concession? The worst thing that SWA can do is fail at co-domiciles in which case nothing changes.
Good discussion.
14 hours huh? Maybe check how much that would pay under the new rules. Besides, do you really think we won't have DH's to bases? I keep getting alerts to cover my desired base from other bases because idiocy runs deep in scheduling with their STC buffoonery.
Maybe not for you because of what you prioritize. I want to catch a commutable pairing, or maybe a shorter pairing to keep my block low, or I want to have a certain layover, or I want to minimize or maximize a certain parameter for whatever reason, with proffering, I get to do that vs. currently, I can call and pray that some minimum wage 182xxx actually take my preferences into account when they're under no obligation to. To me, this is a gain.
Why do you think the company will drop already established markets out of our established bases just to try the new ones out of a co-terminal? That doesn't even make any sense. With respect to DH's... already asked and answered. You can apply that argument to opening any new base. I used to love a good double DH to LAX.... and still do now that it's a base. So are we gonna be mad that BNA is gonna be a base now too because in your view, not only will it minimize the DH's to it, it'll also reduce a great layover for many.... Should we also kick and scream because a couple hundred people may get relocation allowance and the rest of us get hosed by "losing DH's and a great layover"?
Are you saying that lines now are good? What makes a sucky line? Or a good line for that matter? I hate CONUS 4-day trips. But others love them. Players want low block time and want rigged trips, others want higher paying trips. It's an individual preference. Now, suppose you live in WI... what would you want more, a drive to MDW for a "good" line , whatever that is, or a much shorter drive and less aggravation? It's a highly individual decision, but the fact that there will be far fewer lines out of co-terminals says that they'll probably go substantially more senior.
Already addressed. See the answer to your #6.
Absolutely it works in my personal situation and probably for every pilot who has an open mind: It means that my domicile and ergo my seniority progression are no longer constrained by the lack of real estate but by SWA imagination and business acumen. If this is the tool to expand my domicile and ergo my seniority and not stagnate it, is it really a concession? The worst thing that SWA can do is fail at co-domiciles in which case nothing changes.
Good discussion.
Honestly I’d love to be wrong here. But I have deep reservations.
10-01-2023, 09:55 AM
#1359
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
Time will tell my friend. You see potential for improvement. I see potential for disaster. Maybe we’re both right. The final language better be as iron clad as a rich guy’s prenup, because this company will steamroll “guardrails” all day long. Whatever happens we’re going to be stuck with this for a loooong time.
Honestly I’d love to be wrong here. But I have deep reservations.
Honestly I’d love to be wrong here. But I have deep reservations.
10-01-2023, 04:06 PM
#1360
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,781
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