Caveman

2 execs looking to high five and swap spots.

SWAPA to SWA revolving door wide open with 4 former SWAPA on the other side of negotiations table.

Last minute non polled Co terminal concession.

Online social media roadshow in progress by execs.

Polled items such as hotels, JA, sick bank, are already receiving the expectation management comms treatment.

The same people that brought you TA2 Platform minus 1.3B are in charge of bringing you what's in progress.

Where your trip starts and ends, and covering two airports...if you think thats sprinkles....and all the facets of the contract that touches...wow. Just think of the future precedents that'll be set and the grievances involved regarding trans, hotels, line quality, reroute, parking, reserve etc.

Sprinkles ....yikes.

Negotiation Fatigue is real, dont ket your own foolish pride get in the way of recognizing it with yourself or your Union.

Grumpyaviator

I posted this elsewhere;

Now we know the real reason why the company (ie FH) dropped the co-domicile proposal on the table, and it’s working. The proposed locations aren’t really even that usable for this by the company when compared to socal, FL and the DC area. They aren’t serious about co-domiciles but threw a curveball, and swapa (me too) swung and missed.

Chess v Checkers

The union now needs to Un-AIP it and put a poll out to the pilot group, which is what they should’ve done in the beginning.

My vote is NO and I’m already looking forward to TA2.

jetset

There was a question about co-domiciles on the last poll in August.

WHACKMASTER

Don’t let that fact get in the way of all this outrage drama.

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RJSAviator76

Except....

1) I couldn't care less who's across the table, Carl Kuwitzky, Bob Jordan or Peter Pan. Being emotional leads to making best decisions, right?

2) it was polled... but you clearly don't remember.

3) Limiting one's commute to using us because no one else serves our base vs. adding multiple options to commute to co-domicile to start and finish a trip - from smaller airports to other carriers, to redeye options, to freighters, sorry, not a concession whichever way you try to spin it. Used plenty of examples and scenarios to illustrate it. You're just too obtuse to see it.

4) Plenty of local people in virtually every single proposed co-terminal whose drive time to work is now shorter because they can bid flying out of co-domicile. Sorry, not a concession.

5) Reserve proffering of trips allows you to self-assign if you want trips out domicile or co-terminal. Co-terminal now having a longer callout and premium trigger that currently doesn't exist - see #4. Again, not a concession.

6) Will affect a very small portion of pilots one way or another, and no, plenty of those affected actually see it as gain for reasons #3, #4, #5.

7) Very highly likely that any co-domicile flying goes way senior and that if you're junior, fat chance you'll see it. Huh.... maybe that's why you think it's a concession.

8) It's an industry standard concept and thankfully based on tidbits released, it's better than United's or Delta's in that it pays premium all day for a longer callout - see number #5. Again, the only ones potentially negatively affected are the ones who could possibly drive farther which is offset by those whose drive is now shorter. But fret not, princess parking for you via Uber Black to/from work even if you're local and driving from home.

9) If somehow, you started at a co-terminal, and end up back in regular domicile, you can waive the double DH, pocket the money, take Uber Black to get to your car if you're local, or catch your many more commute options home... see #3.

10) Personally, the more I read and write about this, the more I actually like it ... I certainly don't consider this a concession anymore than I see opening another base a concession or a gain for that matter, and in no way do I consider this a hill to die on whichever side of the debate you're on. This contract should be addressing many other things that are worth striking over. This just ain't it. Plenty of moving parts still being negotiated and Jody stated why this is taking longer than normal - creating air tight language that doesn't leave any ambiguity with respect to intent, or relying on some parking lot notes back from Orville days. I trust him. He stepped up.

And in closing, I will say that throwing around silly nonsense like "negotiations fatigue", "can't wait to vote yes", screeching "Concession!!!" over this issue just makes you look like a drama queen desperately missing her Ollie Happy Hoo-Ha. But you do you... Perhaps you can screech even louder because we know that the louder you screech, the more right you are, right?

ZapBrannigan

Agree. Lots of outrage with few details. If you’re upset because we offered anything to the company whatsoever, then it would appear you don’t understand how mediated negotiations work. If you’re upset about co-terminals conceptually, then wait for the final language and the education that SWAPA will have to put out about it and if you still don’t like it enough to poison the whole deal, vote no. We all have one vote.

I worked under coterminals at another airline where the company contracted a shuttle to run between the two airports (with a stop at a street with multiple crashpads on it) and I still was never called to fly out of the other airport. I think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill about this for no reason other than we needed something new to be outraged about.

WHACKMASTER

Exactly. I’m of the opinion that any UAL, DAL, AA, or JBA pilots reading this have to be laughing at all the outrage. If you’re out there perhaps you can chime in on how much having co-domiciles screw’s you or doesn’t.

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Grumpyaviator

I don’t believe the company brought up co-terminals because they’re serious about them or they wouldn’t be starting with the three places that need them least. ORD and IAH have no gate space for what we do now and DFW is way down the road.

If they were serious about them it would be for SoCal, NorCal, tpa/mco and the DC area.

This was timed to be a distraction as talks about disability/sick were beginning, and it has worked. We’re talking more about co-basing that is not likely to happen than more important things. We can’t build a simple flying schedule as it is much less adding in other variables.

WHACKMASTER

Wrong. This hasn’t distracted me the least from the issues that are most important to me.

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ZapBrannigan

Great point. I didn’t consider that they might be trying to take our eyes off the disability ball.