1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
09-29-2023, 06:19 AM
#1312
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 270
E6B.... you're a HOU guy who commutes, right? HOU is a base that's capped now because we've run out of real estate plus the impending runway closure. Question for you.... which scenario is better:
A) HOU base 600 pilots per seat and it remains the same size because it's maxed out so your upward movement is based on seniority list departures or people choosing to change bases?
or
B) HOU base with IAH co-domicile with 740 pilots per seat with the onus and pressure on the company to get more gates and revenues out of the co-domicile?
Which one gives you greater seniority, gets you off reserve quicker through movement, gets you progressing quicker and gives you more commute options?
A) HOU base 600 pilots per seat and it remains the same size because it's maxed out so your upward movement is based on seniority list departures or people choosing to change bases?
or
B) HOU base with IAH co-domicile with 740 pilots per seat with the onus and pressure on the company to get more gates and revenues out of the co-domicile?
Which one gives you greater seniority, gets you off reserve quicker through movement, gets you progressing quicker and gives you more commute options?
It seems like pilots are making this out to be a concession simply because the company asked for it. It is a negotiation, just because the company wants it doesn't automatically mean it is bad for the pilot group, especially if we put lots of guardrails on the language to benefit the pilot.
09-29-2023, 06:21 AM
#1313
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,783
It seems like pilots are making this out to be a concession simply because the company asked for it. It is a negotiation, just because the company wants it doesn't automatically mean it is bad for the pilot group, especially if we put lots of guardrails on the language to benefit the pilot.
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09-29-2023, 06:43 AM
#1314
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 641
Ok, but did you see the time of the morning I wrote that?🫨 nobody should be up at that time of the day.
09-29-2023, 06:43 AM
#1315
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,771
It seems like pilots are making this out to be a concession simply because the company asked for it. It is a negotiation, just because the company wants it doesn't automatically mean it is bad for the pilot group, especially if we put lots of guardrails on the language to benefit the pilot.
09-29-2023, 07:31 AM
#1316
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
And definitely not being the hill to die on one way or another…. This issue is sprinkles in the grand scheme of things.
09-29-2023, 08:15 AM
#1317
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 476
Ah yes...the dreams of explosive coterminal growth have already blinded many to the unintended consequences.
Last minute Company ask. Not polled. What could go wrong.
Why even consider any concessions
Last minute Company ask. Not polled. What could go wrong.
Why even consider any concessions
09-29-2023, 08:54 AM
#1318
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,651
We are doomed to repeat history.
"We need this to grow" = a promise that is worth nothing.
How did that 800 SL work out for us?
09-29-2023, 08:57 AM
#1319
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 988
09-29-2023, 09:04 AM
#1320
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,651
E6B.... you're a HOU guy who commutes, right? HOU is a base that's capped now because we've run out of real estate plus the impending runway closure. Question for you.... which scenario is better:
A) HOU base 600 pilots per seat and it remains the same size because it's maxed out so your upward movement is based on seniority list departures or people choosing to change bases?
or
B) HOU base with IAH co-domicile with 740 pilots per seat with the onus and pressure on the company to get more gates and revenues out of the co-domicile?
Which one gives you greater seniority, gets you off reserve quicker through movement, gets you progressing quicker and gives you more commute options?
A) HOU base 600 pilots per seat and it remains the same size because it's maxed out so your upward movement is based on seniority list departures or people choosing to change bases?
or
B) HOU base with IAH co-domicile with 740 pilots per seat with the onus and pressure on the company to get more gates and revenues out of the co-domicile?
Which one gives you greater seniority, gets you off reserve quicker through movement, gets you progressing quicker and gives you more commute options?
And yeah, I think the 50 percent that commute have more of a say than the guys who decided to move to the Woodlands. Sorry. That's how voting works. Anybody selling this as a gain hopes to save 30 minutes off of their commute at the peril of thousands of pilots who stand to lose from the deadheads and QOL we would be losing. Not my fault they decided to move an hour away from Hobby.
The fact is, nobody asked for this from our side. It wasn't really polled, which apparently is the hold up for separate hotels and other items. The company has pulled the football a couple times in the past on deals like this, so there is no trust. It's sudden and is a big change that can be taken advantage of by the company. Study the history here. It's rich with betrayal. The union trying to sell it already erodes my trust even more.
I get it. Negotiations are taking a long time and about half of us haven't voted on a contract here yet. Do a little digging into the past before you decide to cast that vote. The SWAPA forum is a snake pit, but a good place to get a history lesson.
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