1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
09-21-2023, 12:46 PM
#1201
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,792
Oh no the ATIS sheet!
ITS
SO
HARD
TO
FILL
OUT
Someday. Imagine. Your old and senior. No longer cool. I mean not nearly as edgey and hipster as you are now. And the flying partner your with scoffs at current practice-ism BECAUSE in his/her VAST years and hours of expertise, has determined that current practice-ism is antiquated.
Hint- if your THAT FO now over the ATIS sheet, you'll be THAT cappy down the road over whatever it is.
SWA does have some catching up to do with 1999 though
ITS
SO
HARD
TO
FILL
OUT
Someday. Imagine. Your old and senior. No longer cool. I mean not nearly as edgey and hipster as you are now. And the flying partner your with scoffs at current practice-ism BECAUSE in his/her VAST years and hours of expertise, has determined that current practice-ism is antiquated.
Hint- if your THAT FO now over the ATIS sheet, you'll be THAT cappy down the road over whatever it is.
SWA does have some catching up to do with 1999 though
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B9 new route to AMS. At least they have the courage to try new things. SWA is still stuck in Texas. If you can’t get hired at Big 3. Give B9 a call. You’ll be all over the map once the merger goes through.
B9 new route to AMS. At least they have the courage to try new things. SWA is still stuck in Texas. If you can’t get hired at Big 3. Give B9 a call. You’ll be all over the map once the merger goes through.
09-21-2023, 02:56 PM
#1202
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
I am NOT young by a long shot but I can keep up with the times. The ATIS sheet is just the symptom of a much larger problem here and that is the refusal or reluctance to move forward. Things that may have been a great idea or even mandatory in the past are just tokens of a time long since gone. I think the market rate we are trading at now is also a symptom of the same disease. We need new blood in control of this place to push us forward as people are waking up to the reality that we offer an inferior product for a very similar cost. It is all part of the same problem in my eyes. Do I really care if the CA/FO write stuff on an ATIS sheet, nope I do not, I just do it my way with Jepps and all works fine. I am simply pointing out that holding onto the past is dangerous and something this airline has been doing for far to long.
Yeah, I am still flying with people that haven't mastered the 1000' callout yet. Not the occasional miss, but like every time they are PM lol. Again not the end of the world, but change comes slow here and since most of the CA's flying have been doing it the same way, the only way, the absolute best way for over a decade, its going to be a hard pill to swallow. I will say though, that most take it in stride and are attempting to embrace the change. I still love the people I fly with.
This, especially when the weather is ****.
Yeah it still blows my mind how narrowly focused we are on domestic routes with huge frequency numbers. If NK and B9 can make a go at the Caribbean, central and South America, so could we. We will have to offer more than a snack bag though.
Yeah, I am still flying with people that haven't mastered the 1000' callout yet. Not the occasional miss, but like every time they are PM lol. Again not the end of the world, but change comes slow here and since most of the CA's flying have been doing it the same way, the only way, the absolute best way for over a decade, its going to be a hard pill to swallow. I will say though, that most take it in stride and are attempting to embrace the change. I still love the people I fly with.
This, especially when the weather is ****.
Yeah it still blows my mind how narrowly focused we are on domestic routes with huge frequency numbers. If NK and B9 can make a go at the Caribbean, central and South America, so could we. We will have to offer more than a snack bag though.
They are an aspirational brand. People want to go fly them and then get their pictures taken doing it for social media. London, Paris, Amsterdam, and every piece of sand with a runway in the Caribbean and Latin America.
We simply can't compete on product.
09-21-2023, 03:08 PM
#1203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,185
Seriously. This. We aren't in the same league as JetBlue. Lie flat seats, a choice of snacks, TV screens, great wifi...
They are an aspirational brand. People want to go fly them and then get their pictures taken doing it for social media. London, Paris, Amsterdam, and every piece of sand with a runway in the Caribbean and Latin America.
We simply can't compete on product.
They are an aspirational brand. People want to go fly them and then get their pictures taken doing it for social media. London, Paris, Amsterdam, and every piece of sand with a runway in the Caribbean and Latin America.
We simply can't compete on product.
09-21-2023, 04:13 PM
#1204
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 256
The ATIS sheet is just the symptom of a much larger problem here and that is the refusal or reluctance to move forward. Things that may have been a great idea or even mandatory in the past are just tokens of a time long since gone. I think the market rate we are trading at now is also a symptom of the same disease. We need new blood in control of this place to push us forward as people are waking up to the reality that we offer an inferior product for a very similar cost.
Yeah it still blows my mind how narrowly focused we are on domestic routes with huge frequency numbers. If NK and B9 can make a go at the Caribbean, central and South America, so could we. We will have to offer more than a snack bag though.
Yeah it still blows my mind how narrowly focused we are on domestic routes with huge frequency numbers. If NK and B9 can make a go at the Caribbean, central and South America, so could we. We will have to offer more than a snack bag though.
Very true. Last CA I flew with asked if I was going to fill it out. I politely declined and pointed to FD PRO. He ended up doing it himself. Some people are just afraid of change and do things just because. That was more important than the WX packet, which he barely looked at.
We could crush those markets and Canada/AK if they would just shift their flying around a bit. It would require a traditional model but it seems like its kind of trending that way as it is. We should also be competing with AS on more of their routes (LA/SFO - GUA/BZE/LIR/MIA/BOS/CLT/etc).
09-21-2023, 09:49 PM
#1205
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,720
I am not setting the bar low at all, but 121 aviation is slow to adopt modern tech and SWA is the laggard among that group. I just don't think we are that far behind any of the part 121 carriers flying today. Part 91 corporate makes all of us look like cavemen.
09-21-2023, 10:42 PM
#1206
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 24
I JS regularly offline including all the brands above. They all do stuff differently and I honestly wouldn't say better than SWA does other than the astounding amount of paper we go through and some modern tech stuff that is allegedly coming soon here anyway.
I am not setting the bar low at all, but 121 aviation is slow to adopt modern tech and SWA is the laggard among that group. I just don't think we are that far behind any of the part 121 carriers flying today. Part 91 corporate makes all of us look like cavemen.
I am not setting the bar low at all, but 121 aviation is slow to adopt modern tech and SWA is the laggard among that group. I just don't think we are that far behind any of the part 121 carriers flying today. Part 91 corporate makes all of us look like cavemen.
09-22-2023, 02:43 AM
#1207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
I tell captains this and their mind is blown. JS on a United 787 the other day and they are printing out every single message that comes in through ACARS…gate assignments, their equivalent of PWB, etc. It was a literal sea of curly printout paper and all got thrown away. Similar on Alaska. Apart from the weather packet itself we’re really not that different from a paper perspective.
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