bleedair

Didn’t make it past page 2! No wonder you end up with weak leaders. You eat anyone with an idea.

Best for me to just fly my schedule, smile and nod, slam click, and vote when the time comes. Y’all are hopeless, but you have no right to complain if you’re not willing to take action.

I won’t let it bring me down, and chuckle along the way. The best part of this job is zero take home stress, if you can manage your mind. Better plan than trying to get involved.

Windy out but the sauna and bar is calling to me.

Peace out!

waterskisabersw

Cya! Let Carl know you'll try again in a few weeks under a new username.

Lewbronski

Gotta admit, in tone and verbiage, his posts sounded A LOT like possible FH bot Teamroper from not very long ago.

bay982

Bleedair wants education. This is educational.

These are bullet points from Delta’s forthcoming agreement.

This many improvements, in this many areas, with no concessions, should be the baseline to anchor our expectations.

Meals, uniforms, parking, reroutes, hotels, training, it should all be in our agreement. On top of industry leading pay. This is the discussion we should be having with new hires. And uninformed non-new hires.

Delta will be voting on a new contract within 6 weeks. We need to have an overwhelming Strike Authorization Vote within that same amount of time.


Delta TA InfoI’m sure we will soon get this info in a cleaner format.

One of the major goals of this contract was to focus on smaller items long ignored.

• 18/5/4/4
• +1.1B on DOS, +2.3B on DOS+3
• 45% increase
• 697 add'l pilots required if same schedule exists, need this many more pilots under new rules
• Scope
• 2x pilot at partner provision
• Furlough improvements
• Pilot development programs we're involved with
• DCI ratio improved
• Eliminated unlimited <50 seat aircraft (VTOL, future turboprop, etc)
• Compensation
• 18/5/4/4
• 76/330 up to 350
• 320/319 up to 737/800
• 220 slope to match 320/319
• Ocean crossing override $8/$6
• Any rotation touches holiday IPER HOLIDAY, Xmas) gets add'l ADG pay/no credit
• First year pilots rate at 2:30/day from OE completion
• Unrestricted Me too clause for AAL/UAL
• Delta retirements treated as active pilot for profit sharing
• Min Pay & Credit Guarantee
• CPO suit up pay
• Int'l pay includes Canada
• Res pilot gets 2 hour pay/no credit if has not acknowledged removal and reports for duty on an x day
• Lodging & Expenses
• Domestic up to 90% (no tax, pays for crew meals) MI&E weighted avg of top 10 layover cities
• Domestic per diem 2023 - estimated $3
• Int'l per diem 60% of the MI&E weighted average of top 5 layover cities
• 2023 estimate - $3.45
• Crew Meals
• Depending on block (min 4:00) 1-3 meals
• Any flight 4-8am entitled to crew meal (or on next leg on unavailable location)
• FDP 6+30? Get a meal
• FDP 10+? 2x meals
• (1+30 break removes one or both meals, depending)
• Meals equivalent to highest class of service
• Unavailable? Reimbursed $10
• Kept Int'l turn provisions
• Hotel both before/after training
• Late night sit MOU 18-01 triggers break in duty
• New hire pilots get IQ hotels
• New hires receive 8 hours per day per diem
• After ocean crossing, 45 mins you can walk to own hotel if issues
• Entry level pilots provided uniforms
• Uniform changes Delta pays for
• Relocation
• 125 miles now measured from any co-terminal
• Reduced repayment costs to 12 mos
• Removed if relocation occurs outside of 125 miles
• Vehicle move, age req down to 10 yrs
• Mileage improves to gov't rate
• Insurance increased cross the board
• Vacations
• 48 hours free from duty (unpaid) prior to primary vacation, if requested
• Accrual table changes:
• 1-4 2 weeks +48 hours (pay incr 22.2%
• 5-10 3 wks + 48 hours (pay incr 25
• 11-15 4 wks + 48hours (pay incr 26.4
• 16+ 5 wks + 48 hours (pay incr 27.3
• Pay:
• DOS 4:00
• DOS+1 4:15
• DOS+2 4:35
• Val is now higher than previous with 6th week, + earlier accrual
• 35 hours extra vacation time per year
• FDX/UPS ahead of us in value, due to (pay w/conflict)
• TA2 +12% increase
• C19 +32% increase (on top of TA2)
• Vac Distribution: June/July/August +38.5%
• Rest of year: +30%
• Drove 130 heads
• Pilots receive greater flexibility w/vacation relative to AE/VD training, paid out if unavailable
• Flown into vac? Deleted thresholds to get it back
• No 2-hour grace period anymore
• Pilots w/3 weeks+ of vac may use up to six IVDs on two separate occasions
• DH
• Initial seat available (for sale on Delta.com) at time of booking (at time rotation is built):
• Second highest class first, then flow back as available
• Placed above ALL precious metals blind and visibile upgrade leads
• DH > 2:59, then working, or red eye (Highest class on board)
• Unrestricted seat selection
• Surface DH rate now tied to pay rate 25% of lowest 2yr FO rate
• Incorporate backend deviation from MOU 18-01
• Per diem based on scheduled time away from base, even if deviating
• DH pilot able to board once any passenger boards
• Training
• All other non qual tng:
• DOS 4:25 per training
• DOS+1 5:00
• Prem pay for sim 0100-0500 (tel:0100-0500) based on local sim time
• Qual Tng Pay:
• (Current 2:30) 3:05 per day
• 3:35 pay no credit per day over 19/20 in 30/31 day period
• 75 hours current book
• 95:35 new
• CBTs
• Greater of 60mins or 1:00 for 1:30 mins
• Allow one voluntary withdraw from qual tng once per career
• Returns to prev category w/24 month seat lock. Unavailable? Move to where seniority permits
• (Bid error, buyer's remorse, doesn't matter any reason)
• Pilot may elect 2 calendar days free from duty following OE
• Any first time upgrade can request a full course, if desired
• TOE
• All references in PWA deleted
• 96 hour/6 bid period restriction removed
• Unqual'd pilot may be awardeda rotation at any time
• If no LCP available, removed with pay
• P2P Swap Board
• Pilot restricted to picking up rotation <96 hours prior to report, for instructor availabilty
• Pilot may still request T!, and after 6 bid period restriction is dropped
• Section XX - SLI/LCA
• 5:18 per duty period / 90.1 monthly guarantee
• $1000 APD override
• $500 PCP override
• 10% override for highest paying (able to hold) equip for SLI while in dept
• SLIs receive backside of clock pay consistent with PWA
• FO SLI, while desginated as PIC, paid CA rate for acft flown, or SLI's current rate, whichever greater
• SLI receive COBUS to/from home and SLI duty period
• SLI expanded JS booking window removed
• SLIs that reside >50 miles receive a hotel
• Capt 19.9% override (on top of current pay raises)
• FO 19.0% override (on top of current pay raises)
• Codify SLI/NSLI ratio
• Increase CA SLIs (40%)
• Codified FOPP
• SLI receives min 4 golden days and 6 soft off days each bid period
• SLI may volunteer to perform duty on soft day
• SLI flying rqmts delayed until earlier of:
• SLI does not require PCP designation
• 90 days of qual event
• All LCP/LVP receive 30% override for legs flown performing duties
• Paid at highest acft rate in fleet
• • Company never offered increased numbers here, we would've accepted it
• Hours of Service
• Max unaugmented duty period reduced to 13 hours
• DH segments operated after last non-DH segment count toward FDP
• Aligns DH-only with working FDP, FRMS exception remains
• Non-transoceanic (incl RAP) now, table+4 hours, now < 17 hours
• FDP extension refusal exemption codified
• Non transoceanic min break increased to 10 hours (9:15 actual)
• Consecutive layovers for domestic rotations less than 12 hours not permitted
• "ADG Cutout"
• If released between 0000 and 0159, pilots will receive 2 hours pay, no credit
• If released > 0159, ADG pay and credit
• Sit Rig
• DOS: Pay/no credit of 1 min for every 2 mins of sit in excess of 3 hours
• DOS+1: incrase pay/no credit of 1 min for every 2 mins of sit in excess of 2 hours
• Duty Rig
• For unaugmented Duty Periods, DP Credit incr to 1:1 after 10 hiours duty time
• Min Calendar Day added, in addition to ADG
• Rotations no incl ocean crossing willhave min calendar day 2:30 pay/credit
• • Only carrier to now have both provisions
• Redeye Flight Segments
• Eastbound unaugmented intrudes on WOCL, or touches 0200-0359(tel:0200-0359) as aircraft flies thru the air
• A pilot will not be sched'd for a DH or working leg prior to operating a flight within an FDP
• Flights that touch 0200-0359 (tel:0200-0359) are excepted until a pilot has a break in duty at least one time zone removed (Charter flying excepted)
• Expands WOCL restrictions to include "sched'd or rerouted" and DH flights subsequent to a leg that intrudes the WOCL now restricted
• Rotation Construction
• 5-day rotations: Max 20%
• All NB and 7ER
• Ocean crossing rotations excluded
• 1 & 2 day rotations, at least 15% collectively, excludes A220 and B717 and categories < 140 pilots (these are good exclusions because the resultant rotations are unintended consequence UGLY)
• Leaves of Absence
• All mothers eligible for 10wks post partum disability
• 2-weeks paid parental leave
• Applicable for birth/adoption
• 7-days paid at highest value of vac day
• Available to both parents
• Benefit to follow 10wk post partum benefit
• Total 12 paid weeks post-partum
• 90 days bonding leave
• Eligible for PLOA up to 12mos after exhausting all other leave, if desired, med/dental/vision premiums eligible (may not exceed one year from date of delivery)
• Remove prohibition on MIL work on layover, etc (concurrent duty allowed)
• Established PWA process to resolve any State Sick law dispute (Requires cooperation to seek state interpretation, gives us standing to fight the Company)
• Call in sick and call in well automated
• DOC trigger eliminated
• 120 trigger for QHCP
• Any pilots who uses less than 50 hours in a sick leave year not subject to GFB calls in the following sick leave year (pro tip, sick for every holiday and can't be GFB'sd
• Major Bone limitation removed; Pilot verification of any sick leave for one event over 100 hours will now be eligible
• Physical Examinations
• Narrow process Company must follow when Section 15 is being invoked
• Crew Augmentation
• All WB added to fleet on or after 1/1/20 must accommodate a Class 1 rest facility
• All NB acft engaged in augmented operations must have Clas2 rest facility
• Reduce 13 hour ops on A330 to 12 hour unless equipped with second pilot rest bunk after completion of the 20th A330 delivery
• Language detailing rest facility on A330
• Grievances
• Hearing officer clarified to be an RD or higher, must b e diff from pre-grievance
• Specify a time limit for resolution on pilot's dispute
• Pilot will receive written notice of all matters subject to discussion prior to investigatory meeting
• Pilot always entitled to representation
• System Board of Adjustment
• Some technical changes
• Exchange of exhibits (discovery extended to 4 man board)
• Neutral member may be selected by mutual agreement (codified)
• Transcripts furnished upon request
• Seniority
• Language cleanup
• Filling of Vacancies
• Staffing formula corrected
• Adds approx 150 pilots
• Category Freeze
• Now defined by training type, rather than training duration
• Qual Bidding
• Preference training 1st half vs second half, or thirds for longer bid windows
• Sim time preferences available
• AE conversion windows:
• 150 days
• 210 days if published positions include more than 10% displacements
• 335 days once per year
• Estab'd 6 golden days placed in up to 2 blocks for qual training, for wedding, vacation, etc
• Pilots awarded a position via reinstatement will be pay protected if not converted in seniority order with pilots the same category on same AE
• Scheduling
• LCW +/- 10 hours (current book 7.5, QOL improvement)
• NEW: Set Condition MidSched (+/- 5 hours ALV)
• Maintain upper ALV limit
• CA 91.5 NB, 92.5 WB
• Maintaining 65-hour guarantee (Can build a 61-hour line but paid at 65 hours at 71hour ALV)
• PBS solution: +/-1.5 hours of ALV (gives software more ability to honor pilot preferences)
• Rerouted pilot arriving at their base beyond original sched'd release will receive, up onrequest:
• • Positive space trans
• • If unable to commute, hotel in-based added to positive provision
• Res pilot rerouted into domicile layover will remain on rotation unless requested to be released
• Reroute
• Any time a pilot is off original rotation:
• • Any rerouted legs prior to first break in duty following the reoute pays 150%
• • Any subsequent rerouted leg pays 200%
• Upon reaching their base, pilot will be:
• • Returned to his original rotation or released
• At time of reroute, all segments beyond pilot's base to be built into rotations and run thru trip coverage
• 23L2 and 23L8/9 unchanged.
• Every reroute will receive add'l pay
• 23L10: A pilot will not be rerouted into more than one duty period that originates after the end of his originally scheduled rotation
• • Such duty period will not extend beyond one calendar day after the end of originally sched'd rotation
• • Aligns reserve/regular pilot language
• Estab'd Prem Rotations in the bid package
• • Company may designate "prem rotations" for PBS bidding prior to start of PBS run
• • 150% for entire rotation (100% Pay/credit, 50% pay/no credit)
• Estab'd Prem Rotations in Open Time
• • 200% for entire rotation (100% pay/credit, 100% pay/nocredit)
• • Must "soak" in open time for no less than 48 hours
• • Subject to WS pickup limit
• Estab'd Prem Reserve Days (PRD)
• Published in "PRD Open Time"
• Pay is greater of 7:00 pay/no credit or duty period flown on PRD, whichever greater
• Would link to existing reserve day blocks
• ACROS
• Increased batch size to 3 for > 8 hours
• Batch size may be modified by mutual agreement
• Improvements to ARCOS
• Max # rotations offered will be limited by number that a pilot can receive via VRU
• Working group to determine VRU parameters
• Working group to meet/agree on max rotation offer parameters prior to batch size modification
• Establish "Jetway Trades"
• Details consistent with SOT framework; establish working group to develop parameters and pay/credit by mutual agreement (DOS+2 implementation date)
• Begin trip coverage 24 hours earlier
• Long Call Reserve now 18 hour call out
• Reserves released 18-24 hours prior to assignment report time
• • Estab'd "reserve with conflict"
• • Pay guarantee applies (greater of)
• Short Call Transparency
• • SC biddable via PBS
• • Publishde in bid packages
• • Remaining SC (or add'l req'd)
• ◦ Publish "SC open time" in DBMS
• ◦ Awarded/assigned via PCS or trip coverage
• Eliminated 7th involuntary SC
• Establish voluntary add'l SC
• 1:00 pay for each SC above guarantee
• 2:00 pay above guarantee for SC above 6
• 2:00 pay for add'l SC if unused
• Established X-Day Swap Board
• Yellow Slip enhancements
• It pilot's RAW score bucket 2, pilot may preference to bucket 1 via YS
• YS rotation with days of availability minus 1
• Provided there are pilots with the same days of availability equal to the number of open trips +1
• Reserve to Reg pilot transition
• Such rotation will be a proffer
• Will receive single pay and no credit for the entire portion of the rotation that interrupts his x-days scheduled days off (GS pay)
• Voluntary Standby Rotations
• • Pays ADG per day or as flown, whchever greater
• • May be assigned as GS (w/GS premium)
• • Rotation guarantee applies for both REG and RSV
• • Hotels and per diem provided
• • Only usable on double 23K recovery
• • Very, very expensive form of SC
• Voluntary Airport Standby
• • Pays greater of ADG or as flown
• • Plus add'l 3:00 pay, no credit for each day of AS or assigned flying
• • Counts as 1 SC
• • No double 23K requirement limitations in order to proffer
• • This is what mitigates reroutes, and Company will likely often offer these
• • Released when back to base, and must return to base NLT next day
• Known Flying
• • At time time packet is published, all flying available for sale must be included for bid
• Bid Packet Timeline
• • Bid packets must be delivered to ALPA NLT 5 days prior to PBS bid window opening
• PB days
• Unchanged
• PBS Unstacking
• Unchanged
• Provide ALPA with direct Database/API read-only access to pilot DBMS info
• Section 24 General
• Use of Crew Rest Facility when Jsing if not occupied
• Parking for Commuting Pilots
• If pilot does not live within 80NMs of base that offers parking, a pilot may submit for reimbursement up to $400 annually for parking at alternate airport location in addition to their base parking permit
• Section 25
• DPMP
• • Reduce pilot contribution from 22% to 18%
• • All pilots allowed to participate in DPMP Dental regardless of healthcare enrollment
• • Updated definition for "total projected costs"
• ◦ Base rate reflects pilot only risk pool
• ◦ Language establishing guidelines for annual rate setting
• ◦ New process substantially
• More bullets that I didn't get down
• Option to convert term life to GVUniversal Life policy
• Reduced imputed income on premiums
• Maintains same retirement benefit
• Pilot may opt to continue coverage
• Pre-medicare retiree DPMPP contributions reduced to 45% of base premium
• Post-medicare pilot's pre-Medicare spouse (60+), now eligible for DPMP coverage at 45% premium
• More bullets I couldn't get down
• Create DPMP - HDHP
• More bullets I couldn't get down
• Section 26
• 30mo/54mo lifetime max restriction on eligibility for psych disabilities eliminated
• Creates a floor for pilots with very low FAE in the event of disability
• Increase medical leave period to 15 years from 10 years, at pilot's option
• Retroactive to Mar 1, 2019
• DC, 17 DOS+1, 18 DOS+3
• Medical Protections, verbatim
• Lasting Covid protections
• Permanent Pandemic protections
• Covid sick excluded from lookbacks

WHACKMASTER

You’re off probation. You know what to do 😉

WHACKMASTER

Bahahahaha 👍

CA1900

Whoever stuck this on the logbook I got the other day is my hero:

Cyio

I sincerely hope they get all of that and more. Seems to close up a lot of loopholes.

WHACKMASTER

Well, it passed their MEC & is going out for member ratification. I’m fairly certain it will pass and thus as of the beginning of March, the upper bar will have been set.

hoover

seems likenit didnt meet their 4 pillars they talked about. Not sure why it was sent out as a TA.
retro is horrible and cant even be called retro. Didnt come anywhere close on their B fund. And pay is not impressive at all. I also dont think it even addressed retirement wants they had.

Itll pass just like all of them are passing. Seems like sw may have to be the one to actually say no to something.