WHACKMASTER

They pulled that type of bologna at the last carrier. Fly a red eye to the east coast then a short turn afterwards. Fatigue calls put an end to that rather quickly.

It’s simple. Let them schedule whatever they want. Only fly it if you’re feeling up to it.

at6d

You KNOW we will have people bid high speeds/stand ups. If they do that with turns, who knows….

CA1900

Depends how they're designed. If it's one leg out, one leg back, paying 13TFP (2xADG, since it'd straddle two Domicile Days), I'd likely jump on them. Plus, if it's continuous duty that crosses 0200 domicile time, you're not eligible for JA. Win-win.

But for now, that would require a new CBA, since our current one forbids them. If the company wants them, time to get negotiating instead of stalling.

e6bpilot

They will undoubtedly incorporate redeyes into pairings the cheapest possible way they can. Whatever insanity you can imagine, that's what they will come up with.

Does anyone even still do standups after FAR 117? I could see myself banging out fatigued for every single one of them. There is just no way to make that work with my body. Seems like the pathway to an early grave.

mulcher

They sound very fatiguing!

flensr

Commuting sucks. I wouldn't do it again, I'd move or find another local job. I only work to support my family's lifestyle anyhow so there's a pretty fine line between what is and isn't tolerable for me.

Right now, SWA is a bit of a hot mess but it's possible to get past that and do ok here. Ignore everything but report time, making sure the release isn't stupid (like being told to take a full -800 into MDW in the winter with a release that is legal only because 30 min after a the storm passed through the dispatcher re-planned for runway condition 6 dry), auditing your own pay, and payday 5 and 20.

Focus on that, ignore everything else especially how things woulda coulda shoulda been here or elsewhere, and objectively you'll find that SWA isn't a bad gig. You just gotta be willing to completely ignore everything except report time, the release, auditing your own pay, and 5/20. Oh yea sick out of anything you don't want to do. Quite literally everything else here is infuriating if you pay attention to it, but the trick is that mostly you don't have to if you don't want to. If you can do that, yes absolutely come on over and enjoy not having to commute. This place is as hard or as easy as you want it to be.

Champeen07

This is really pretty accurate.

symbian simian

NK. We do a lot of red eye turns out of Vegas (situps?). Lots of jungle turns: day 1, red eye to FLL, day 2, red eye and back to somewhere in Central America, day 3 ditto, day 4 late flight back to LAS. JB&F9 do the same AFAIK.

e6bpilot

This single post is the best summary of how to enjoy a career here.

5/20. Come in, do your job well, don't be a dick. Everything else is just noise.

e6bpilot

I can see them doing something like that. Not stand ups per se but ugly out and back turns imbedded in trips.