Originally Posted by pangolin

Kindness wins.

Originally Posted by pangolin

Kindness wins.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I don't think they can simply deny OJI/disability for mundane tasks around the workplace even if it's not part of your job. If you were instructed/trained to avoid something inherently dangerous then they might have a leg to stand-on. I might be more concerned about accidentally dumping the wheelchair pax on the floor and getting in trouble if the pax has a liability claim.

Non-mundane tasks like fueling an airplane or operating a belt-loader might be different since you clearly need training for that, and you have no authorization to do it.

Of course if the company creates a climate where you're expected/encouraged to do tasks you're not trained for then they could be a world of liability hurt for NOT training you... that could apply if it's common for pilots to be helping out on the ramp. They have a duty to either train you or ensure that you don't do dangerous work.



I can assure you that Uber provides liability insurance for pax for all of their services, they could not possibly be so stupid as to rely on their pothead drivers for that. They may not insure the drivers for comprehensive, etc. So the driver might be screwed if he's doing uber on his regular private citizen insurance, but the pax will be fine.

All that said, if you hurt your back pushing a wheel chair or handling baggage, I'd probably just say it happened climbing out of your seat in the cockpit... nobody would argue that i your flying a 737



Not "no insurance", I doubt any state allows that. But many have comparative negligence, where the "victim" is responsible for some of the damages if his own actions aggravated the situation... such as not wearing seatbelts. I wear them always.

Originally Posted by Mozam

A true statement and more people should live by . That said, please do no use that statement to defend a company that burned the culture to the ground, is chasing the almighty dollar on the backs of the employees, and calls it’s pilots plumbers right to their face.

Originally Posted by arbalist1

I came from an airline where there wasn't an expectation to push a wheel chair. In fact, I was told several times not to. I have to say, if you think having passengers sit and wait for a pusher is going to somehow force management to solve the problem, I believe your gravely mistaken. I don't think they would even notice.

I get both sides of the argument, but they aren't suddenly going to hire a bunch of extra people because pilots stopped pushing wheelchairs.

Originally Posted by arbalist1

I came from an airline where there wasn't an expectation to push a wheel chair. In fact, I was told several times not to. I have to say, if you think having passengers sit and wait for a pusher is going to somehow force management to solve the problem, I believe your gravely mistaken. I don't think they would even notice.

I get both sides of the argument, but they aren't suddenly going to hire a bunch of extra people because pilots stopped pushing wheelchairs.

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger

Outsider take-

Don't we take on enough liability and career risks as pilots without volunteering for jobs we are not trained or insured to do? Maybe we should have the FAs help out up front while we push wheelchairs around- maybe they can get the APU up and running and bussed up and get the packs configured for the passengers. Let's all just do each other's jobs! What could go wrong!

Don't throw bags. Don't push chairs. Protect your careers.