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Old 12-26-2022, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyShacklferd
I actually do and got a United Interview date scheduled. I was thinking of cancelling it since I will be at SWA class and was happy with my choice. Really don’t know what to do now. I take comments here with a grain of salt, but really this experience has made me nervous.
Coming from a DAL guy, folks need to seriously relax. Every airline has its turn in the barrel. Heck, a meltdown by NWA back in the day was big news back in the day. I think it was Comair that had their scheduling system glitch out right before the end of the year and no one knew were anyone was...or the airplanes. I think JB had the same thing.

Now if you're upset that "well, this is SWA, and we're supposed to be different!", that I can't help with, other than to say pride goeth before the fall.

In a year no one will remember, or care.
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Old 12-26-2022, 10:41 AM
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Dude, it’s almost 60% of Southwest flights today and the day isn’t over. I don’t remember any airline ever coming close to that.
Luckily for us all in this business, the flying public’s memory is shorter than a gnat. Lots of “I’ll never fly them again” quotes in the news, but when it somes time to book it’s all about the price baby.

Spirit Airlines cancels 60% of its flights to 'reboot' after meltdown, vows to learn from disruptions



https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/04/spirit-airlines-cancels-nearly-half-its-flights-to-reboot-operation.html
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Old 12-26-2022, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyShacklferd
I actually do and got a United Interview date scheduled. I was thinking of cancelling it since I will be at SWA class and was happy with my choice. Really don’t know what to do now. I take comments here with a grain of salt, but really this experience has made me nervous.
How do I put this politely? You’re a fool to turn down the UAL interview.
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Old 12-26-2022, 10:49 AM
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And what are you going to do when United has an operational meltdown? I wouldn’t make such long term decisions based off of a few days of poor weather event recovery. Everyone gets their turn in this business I’m afraid.

With that said, SWA is going to need to do what Spirit had to some months back. A hard reset. 2000+ flights cancelled today and counting. There’s no recovering from that. Need to stop and restart the airline at this point. Good luck to everyone stuck out there trying to get home, or even into a hotel room.
Bologna. This meltdown is like nothing I’ve seen in 24 years of 121. They have literally lost operational control of the airline.

The concerning part is that this has been cumulative and building. They’re too arrogant in DAL to realize just how inept they are. That is the concerning part of this, not the meltdown in particular but rather the trajectory of this company.
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Bologna. This meltdown is like nothing I’ve seen in 24 years of 121. They have literally lost operational control of the airline.

The concerning part is that this has been cumulative and building. They’re too arrogant in DAL to realize just how inept they are. That is the concerning part of this, not the meltdown in particular but rather the trajectory of this company.
Im not saying this isn’t bad, but it’s not unprecedented like you’re saying. Check the link I provided above. Spirit did this exact thing in summer 2021.
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Old 12-26-2022, 10:59 AM
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And what are you going to do when United has an operational meltdown? I wouldn’t make such long term decisions based off of a few days of poor weather event recovery. Everyone gets their turn in this business I’m afraid.

With that said, SWA is going to need to do what Spirit had to some months back. A hard reset. 2000+ flights cancelled today and counting. There’s no recovering from that. Need to stop and restart the airline at this point. Good luck to everyone stuck out there trying to get home, or even into a hotel room.
Why has this winter storm hit SWA so much harder than any other major US airline? Currently, SWA has cancelled 59% of today's flights. Spirit, the next highest major US airline on the list of cancelled flights, has axed 15%. Delta, the next highest of the Big 4, only 8%.

IMO, SWA's culture is broken and has been for at least the approximately 20 years I've been here. Despite all the BS lip service about "luv" and "cohearts," it has always only been merely a psychological tool to extract lower costs from labor. The corporation doesn't want to hear from you and it definitely doesn't want to help you or your family if it costs it a penny more than it absolutely has to spend.
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Originally Posted by RustyShacklferd
I actually do and got a United Interview date scheduled. I was thinking of cancelling it since I will be at SWA class and was happy with my choice. Really don’t know what to do now. I take comments here with a grain of salt, but really this experience has made me nervous.
I was in the same situation as you 7 yrs ago. Wasn’t a meltdown happening when I started class but I passed on a UAL interview.

If I were you….I’d schedule the interview for when you can go and make the best decision you can with the info you’ve got.

If I had a job at both lined up, I’d head for UAL. Shorter upgrade, more fleet options, etc. 7 yrs ago QOL in DEN was way better at SWA which is why I stayed. Now I’m months from upgrade so there’s no point starting over.
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Originally Posted by El Peso
Im not saying this isn’t bad, but it’s not unprecedented like you’re saying. Check the link I provided above. Spirit did this exact thing in summer 2021.
Spirits meltdown affected a fraction of the amount of people and didn’t occur over the biggest holiday.
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Old 12-26-2022, 11:17 AM
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Spirits meltdown affected a fraction of the amount of people and didn’t occur over the biggest holiday.
Correct. We are currently at over 1,000,000 people who had the rug pulled out from underneath them. Look at some of the pictures of young families sleeping on the airport floor in their Christmas pajamas. Most of those have lost bags (some full of presents) which will take weeks to get back to them, if they are ever returned at all. The industry has never seen anything like this before. The entire executive board is on their way out.
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Old 12-26-2022, 11:20 AM
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Spirits meltdown affected a fraction of the amount of people and didn’t occur over the biggest holiday.
This is true. And the fact that’s over Christmas definitely hurts.

Anyway it looks like they’re attempting a hard reset. 2600 flights cancelled so far and almost non tomorrow.
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