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Old 12-23-2022, 09:14 PM
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Under Title 5 Section 501 of the Omnibus spending package that refers to Safety Enhancements, “an Administrator may not issue a type certificate for a transport category airplane unless it incorporates a flight crew alerting system,” beginning December 27, 2022. One year after that, an “Administrator will not be able to issue a type certificate for any Boeing 737 MAX aircraft unless the Administrator finds that the type design for the aircraft includes approved safety enhancements.”

An additional three years after the date in which a type certificate is issued, “no person may operate a 737 MAX aircraft unless the aircraft includes approved safety enhancements and produced and altered in conformance with approved type designs,” the bill states.

The Omnibus makes an exception for this December 27 deadline in that it re-codifies the mandate to only apply to FAA certification projects submitted after December 27, 2020 (the date in which the Safety Reform Act was enacted). The Boeing MAX 7 and MAX 10 certification applications were submitted in 2017, prior to the Safety Reform Act, which allows them to be effectively unaffected by this mandate.
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Originally Posted by rightseat
Under Title 5 Section 501 of the Omnibus spending package that refers to Safety Enhancements, “an Administrator may not issue a type certificate for a transport category airplane unless it incorporates a flight crew alerting system,” beginning December 27, 2022. One year after that, an “Administrator will not be able to issue a type certificate for any Boeing 737 MAX aircraft unless the Administrator finds that the type design for the aircraft includes approved safety enhancements.”

An additional three years after the date in which a type certificate is issued, “no person may operate a 737 MAX aircraft unless the aircraft includes approved safety enhancements and produced and altered in conformance with approved type designs,” the bill states.

The Omnibus makes an exception for this December 27 deadline in that it re-codifies the mandate to only apply to FAA certification projects submitted after December 27, 2020 (the date in which the Safety Reform Act was enacted). The Boeing MAX 7 and MAX 10 certification applications were submitted in 2017, prior to the Safety Reform Act, which allows them to be effectively unaffected by this mandate.
Which basically means any new future airplane post-737 built by Boeing must have EICAS.

Unfortunately, Boeing has nothing. The entire commercial airline side of the company is 737 sales
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Old 12-24-2022, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired;[url=tel:3558800
3558800[/url]]Which basically means any new future airplane post-737 built by Boeing must have EICAS.

Unfortunately, Boeing has nothing. The entire commercial airline side of the company is 737 sales
and no plans for anything.

“We won’t contemplate a new plane or put it on the drawing board until we know we’re capable of doing it,”

“There is nothing in the propulsion side of the house that is going to deliver that in this decade,”

-David Calhoun Boeing CEO

https://www.airdatanews.com/boeing-d...n-this-decade/
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Old 12-24-2022, 07:25 AM
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What happened to the 797?
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Originally Posted by hoover
What happened to the 797?
I was under the uniformed impression that the 797 was for the 767 target audience
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Originally Posted by Caveman;[url=tel:3559011
3559011]I was under the uniformed impression that the 797 was for the 767 target audience
757 I believe. And the 797 is dead. Until 2030s according to boeing ceo
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Originally Posted by hercretired
The entire commercial airline side of the company is 737 sales
What do you mean by this? Boeing still builds and sells 767s, 777s, and 787s.
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
What do you mean by this? Boeing still builds and sells 767s, 777s, and 787s.
It's somewhat a joke but but also totally accurate.

767 is done.

777X sales are weak and it's another certification disaster.

737 is the bulk of the sales but Boeing has no answer for the A321LR/XLR.

Lucky for Boeing, Airbus doesn't exactly build a 757-300/767-200 replacement (A330 is too big), so airlines are holding off for now on a MoM aircraft.
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Old 12-29-2022, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
It's somewhat a joke but but also totally accurate.

767 is done.

777X sales are weak and it's another certification disaster.

737 is the bulk of the sales but Boeing has no answer for the A321LR/XLR.

Lucky for Boeing, Airbus doesn't exactly build a 757-300/767-200 replacement (A330 is too big), so airlines are holding off for now on a MoM aircraft.
Boeing is still building 767 freighters and the KC-46 for the USAF

United just ordered 100 new 787’s
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Originally Posted by Proximity
It's somewhat a joke but but also totally accurate.

767 is done.

777X sales are weak and it's another certification disaster.

737 is the bulk of the sales but Boeing has no answer for the A321LR/XLR.

Lucky for Boeing, Airbus doesn't exactly build a 757-300/767-200 replacement (A330 is too big), so airlines are holding off for now on a MoM aircraft.
I guess I don’t get the joke. There are almost 200 orders for the 767F and 777Fis still being built for cargo until 2028 (an exemption is possible if a republican is elected in 2024) and the military has additional orders that stretch beyond that date. The 777-300 still has a handful of orders left with the 777X having about 350 on the books. That revenue is not going to be left on the table by Boeing. Not to mention almost 600 orders for 787s still outstanding.

I don’t know if living in a 737 centric world blinds one to these facts, unless you have a completely different definition of the phrase, “entire commercial airline side.” Your definition aside, that’s about 1200 WB aircraft yet to be delivered.

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