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Old 12-07-2022, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
what is that chief going to do? Fire him on the spot? I doubt it. Just because he’s on probation doesn’t mean the contract doesn’t apply.
That actually happened. CP took a pilots badge and headseat in the jetway and left them no way to commute home. Apparently they were told afterwards it was not appropriate, but it still happened.

What does giving notice or speaking to your CP do other than cause the potential for "issues"?
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Old 12-07-2022, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
That actually happened. CP took a pilots badge and headseat in the jetway and left them no way to commute home. Apparently they were told afterwards it was not appropriate, but it still happened.

What does giving notice or speaking to your CP do other than cause the potential for "issues"?
Hmm, ok so maybe it's bad advice.
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Old 12-07-2022, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
let your chief know of your dilemma at your 9 month review. They need to know these things…
I put in my two week notice at SWA 6 months after I started indoc. The CP was upset, uptight, and his temper exacerbated an already uncomfortable situation. I was polite and apologized, explaining that I didn't see this coming, and after discussing it with my family we decided leaving for the other place was in our best interests. The rumor at the time was the CP would take your badge and show you the door if you put in your notice. I flew my last two weeks and as I stepped off the plane for the last time as a SWA employee I got a "random" drug and alcohol test.

I clearly remember the tone of the communications coming from the union were so much more critical of the company and certain individuals in management than I had ever seen from ALPA. I also remember one of those communications explained that the union suspected some random drug and alcohol tests were not random at all. I did communicate my story to them after the fact.

I called CS a few times during my last week explaining that I was not going to be able to fly any trips after (whichever) date because I was leaving and they wouldn't clear out my schedule. I don't know why that concerned me so much....
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Old 12-07-2022, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
what is that chief going to do? Fire him on the spot? I doubt it. Just because he’s on probation doesn’t mean the contract doesn’t apply.
You might be surprised by what they might do.
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Old 12-07-2022, 01:24 PM
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Yeah I think it’s best to not say anything to them until I’m about to go to class at DAL. Ironically I could drive to a SWA base but even then just the opportunities at Delta right now outweigh SWA unless we get a contract that’s so good it makes me rethink. I could always move to a Delta base too.

I share all this just to be real about what some of us new hires are dealing with and hopefully it can be a wake up call that we need a good contract otherwise I won’t be the only one.
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Old 12-07-2022, 01:34 PM
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Yeah I think it’s best to not say anything to them until I’m about to go to class at DAL. Ironically I could drive to a SWA base but even then just the opportunities at Delta right now outweigh SWA unless we get a contract that’s so good it makes me rethink. I could always move to a Delta base too.

I share all this just to be real about what some of us new hires are dealing with and hopefully it can be a wake up call that we need a good contract otherwise I won’t be the only one.
Honest Congrats on your good fortune and 1st world problems.

If it makes you feel any better about your situation, I’m 4 to 5 years ahead of you and I’ve begun to seriously think of making a move.
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Old 12-07-2022, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
That actually happened. CP took a pilots badge and headseat in the jetway and left them no way to commute home. Apparently they were told afterwards it was not appropriate, but it still happened.

What does giving notice or speaking to your CP do other than cause the potential for "issues"?
Name the chief and then repeat this on the SWAPA forum or fake news.

But damn. I wish I had gone ANYWHERE else. Seemed like a good idea at the time. This is the jankiest airline in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old 12-07-2022, 02:40 PM
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Apparently Spirit has an AIP now. Gonna have to start a spreadsheet to keep score.
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Old 12-07-2022, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tankerhead
Name the chief and then repeat this on the SWAPA forum or fake news.

But damn. I wish I had gone ANYWHERE else. Seemed like a good idea at the time. This is the jankiest airline in the Western Hemisphere.

SWAPA confirmed this a while ago. As I recall, the guy was giving his notice and the chief took his badge on the spot. Denver chief. Not sure which one or if he is still there.

Look, I get that some of you have a chummy relationship with the CPO in your bases and there are some stand up dudes in there doing gods work. There are also some complete a holes in there in it for themselves. Some guys have found out by accident that they thought they were dealing with the former and instead got the latter.

The only reason my chief pilot knows my name is because we flew together when he was on the line. He is a great dude, but I wouldn't trust him with anything he doesn't absolutely need to know. Nobody else in that office knows my name and that's the way I want it.

They aren't your friends. Their number one job is to protect the company and some of them take that way more seriously than others. My advice would be to say as little as possible to them other than what is necessary in the performance of your duties. When you need them for family emergencies, etc, they are great and provide a valuable service. Other than that, stay far away and tell them nothing other than that we need a new contract.
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Old 12-07-2022, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
You might be surprised by what they might do.
OK, I stand corrected. Don't do what I suggested.
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