1000 Turbine rule abolished
11-28-2022, 04:57 PM
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1000 Turbine rule abolished
Anyone think this 1000 Turbine rule needs to go away? I've been seeing from other airlines IE United, AA, Frontier, Etc will all take pilots with 1500 hours 500 ME etc. I know a few good mil pilots still shy of 1000 (turbine) getting the tbnt ....fast mover F-16 guys they're still expecting 1000 jet time and Rotary guys who have over 1000 flight hours still being turned away ( and I still don't get how their time doesn't count for the life of me). Is this company behind the power curve on this? And I don't wanna hear the oh back in my day peeps who are sour. Just a good talking point to help with company attrition.
11-28-2022, 05:03 PM
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I wonder if doctors sit around thinking about how they could lower the qualifications so that more people could become doctors more quickly? Why are pilots in particular so eager to lower the barriers to entry?
In short, no. I don’t see any good reason for WN to recruit and hire 1500TT/500ME pilots. Just my opinion though. That and $5 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.
In short, no. I don’t see any good reason for WN to recruit and hire 1500TT/500ME pilots. Just my opinion though. That and $5 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.
11-28-2022, 05:04 PM
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Anyone think this 1000 Turbine rule needs to go away? I've been seeing from other airlines IE United, AA, Frontier, Etc will all take pilots with 1500 hours 500 ME etc. I know a few good mil pilots still shy of 1000 (turbine) getting the tbnt ....fast mover F-16 guys they're still expecting 1000 jet time and Rotary guys who have over 1000 flight hours still being turned away ( and I still don't get how their time doesn't count for the life of me). Is this company behind the power curve on this? And I don't wanna hear the oh back in my day peeps who are sour. Just a good talking point to help with company attrition.
11-28-2022, 05:07 PM
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Anyone think this 1000 Turbine rule needs to go away? I've been seeing from other airlines IE United, AA, Frontier, Etc will all take pilots with 1500 hours 500 ME etc. I know a few good mil pilots still shy of 1000 (turbine) getting the tbnt ....fast mover F-16 guys they're still expecting 1000 jet time and Rotary guys who have over 1000 flight hours still being turned away ( and I still don't get how their time doesn't count for the life of me). Is this company behind the power curve on this? And I don't wanna hear the oh back in my day peeps who are sour. Just a good talking point to help with company attrition.
God I hope not....
11-28-2022, 05:11 PM
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First of all, why the 🤬 would you concern yourself with helping the company out with their attrition problem. It’s in our favor for them to have an attrition problem wrt securing a much improved contract. Somehow I don’t think you’d recognize leverage if it came up and kicked you in the groin.
Second, as Zap alluded to, keeping the barrier to entry high once again serves to make the profession more lucrative and worthwhile. Don’t worry though as you’ll get your wish because SWA will lower competitive mins to CFIs with a fresh ATP if need be.
Good god. Talk about misguided and clueless 🙄
Second, as Zap alluded to, keeping the barrier to entry high once again serves to make the profession more lucrative and worthwhile. Don’t worry though as you’ll get your wish because SWA will lower competitive mins to CFIs with a fresh ATP if need be.
Good god. Talk about misguided and clueless 🙄
11-28-2022, 05:12 PM
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I'm really not just a thought. let me guess you have the "oh I did it, so they should " mentality? Im just seeing what other companies are doing I'm wondering what's the point of keeping this rule. You must think a person with 5000 hours + is. Gods gift to aviation I'm assuming.
11-28-2022, 05:16 PM
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First of all, why the 🤬 would you concern yourself with helping the company out with their attrition problem. It’s in our favor for them to have an attrition problem wrt securing a much improved contract. Somehow I don’t think you’d recognize leverage if it came up and kicked you in the groin.
Second, as Zap alluded to, keeping the barrier to entry high once again serves to make the profession more lucrative and worthwhile. Don’t worry though as you’ll get your wish because SWA will lower competitive mins to CFIs with a fresh ATP if need be.
Good god. Talk about misguided and clueless 🙄
Second, as Zap alluded to, keeping the barrier to entry high once again serves to make the profession more lucrative and worthwhile. Don’t worry though as you’ll get your wish because SWA will lower competitive mins to CFIs with a fresh ATP if need be.
Good god. Talk about misguided and clueless 🙄
11-28-2022, 05:16 PM
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I'm really not just a thought. let me guess you have the "oh I did it, so they should " mentality? Im just seeing what other companies are doing I'm wondering what's the point of keeping this rule. You must think a person with 5000 hours + is. Gods gift to aviation I'm assuming.
11-28-2022, 05:17 PM
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My goodness who hurt you 😂 I get it man haha I was just wondering. Of course I want leverage and a better contract for us! I just see the empty classes and me not getting so many days off like a damn how do we fix this! I'm in fair for the pilot group. But the good old days of selling trips away seem far gone and I hate it! I'm huge on QOL.
Sure. You were “just wondering” 🙄
11-28-2022, 05:24 PM
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Not at SWA, but I never understood the mindset of the Airlines that helo time doesn't count for jack, while Cessna 150 hours do. Seriously, my 60ish hours in a 150/152 getting a PPL and renting a plane to sightsee counted more than all my hours the Bell JetRanger, Huey, H-3, H-60 and H-53 combined. Some serious speed that Cezzna moves with.
I have significant helicopter time, north of 4000 hours. None of it counted for SWA, Delta, FedEx, etc but I had classmates at Delta whose hours instructing in Single Engine Piston all counted, but my thousands of hours flying a twin turbine, 22,000 pound helicopter in all sort of conditions didn't.
But what do I know, I'm just an airline pilot.
I have significant helicopter time, north of 4000 hours. None of it counted for SWA, Delta, FedEx, etc but I had classmates at Delta whose hours instructing in Single Engine Piston all counted, but my thousands of hours flying a twin turbine, 22,000 pound helicopter in all sort of conditions didn't.
But what do I know, I'm just an airline pilot.
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