WN Pilot Shortage
11-21-2022, 07:26 PM
#41
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ar-2022-11-17/
I still believe no one wants their name attached to a 'friendly' arrangement with Boeing regarding the Max. My bet is it does not get exempted from the EICAS requirement.
I still believe no one wants their name attached to a 'friendly' arrangement with Boeing regarding the Max. My bet is it does not get exempted from the EICAS requirement.
11-21-2022, 07:33 PM
#42
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ar-2022-11-17/
I still believe no one wants their name attached to a 'friendly' arrangement with Boeing regarding the Max. My bet is it does not get exempted from the EICAS requirement.
I still believe no one wants their name attached to a 'friendly' arrangement with Boeing regarding the Max. My bet is it does not get exempted from the EICAS requirement.
Lets be honest, Boeing should've done this when they first released the MAX, so I have little sympathy for them nor SWA for pushing it. Yeah it would be expensive to get everyone retrained/typed but its going to cost a lot more in lost revenue/profits in the long run.
11-21-2022, 08:02 PM
#43
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Yeah, not so much. If you got more than a 1000 above you, you were just of probation when SL 9 was signed. You didn’t want to go to a AT, because you were afraid of being furloughed, that is your choice, but just because other people did, doesn’t give you any more rights when you merge, things happen while you wait for things to happen. You made a mistake not going to AT, and holding out for a slow growing company with a long upgrade…… Do you see how whiny you sound?
Can’t believe you could post that. You waited 10 years to go to SWA?
Well, I have a family member that declined to go to SWA in 2003, went to AT in 2005, and is finally able to upgrade in the base they got displaced into(because 5 years AT was 16 months at SWA)…(and yes, after all that, they aren’t *****ing like you)
Not everyone picked SWA over AT.
Can’t believe you could post that. You waited 10 years to go to SWA?
Well, I have a family member that declined to go to SWA in 2003, went to AT in 2005, and is finally able to upgrade in the base they got displaced into(because 5 years AT was 16 months at SWA)…(and yes, after all that, they aren’t *****ing like you)
Not everyone picked SWA over AT.
11-21-2022, 09:08 PM
#44
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I would if I knew what you were talking about. But seriously, how many MONTHS were you there when AT stapled you?
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11-21-2022, 09:48 PM
#45
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How many SWA pilots had apps in AT?
How many AT pilots had apps in at SWA?
Those would be my first questions when making a judgment on a "fair" integration.
Money gets the pilots SWA wants/needs.
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How many AT pilots had apps in at SWA?
Those would be my first questions when making a judgment on a "fair" integration.
Money gets the pilots SWA wants/needs.
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11-21-2022, 10:12 PM
#46
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and yes career expectation is part of a fair integration.
When AT got bought, pilots and planes were added. So for someone who was rock bottom on either side to complain about all those added above him, without acknowledging the planes added, that shows a level of ignorance. For them nothing changed.
yes, you can argue age of group differences, but if anything, SWA probably was the younger group…..
11-21-2022, 10:40 PM
#47
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What he said. I used to show them but they aren’t worth the time anymore. I’m st to wack as I should be. The two good friends I have from critter admit it was a windfall and a blessing. Guys like wack are cry babies about it nothing more. He needs to let his obscure ridiculous perceptions go. WAFJ!
11-21-2022, 10:43 PM
#48
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It's funny to see guys salivating to see another merger and potentially allow hundreds of guys that started flying YEARS later than them to come in above them due to ridiculous relative seniority demands (say from the Virgin America guys that already got a windfall at Alaska)...
I’d like to hear more about this “windfall” I got?
11-22-2022, 03:56 AM
#49
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Nope didn’t say that either. Two really good friends. I’m not friends with everyone I fly with. But I’ve enjoyed all but 3 actually. 1 CA and 2 FOs. The CA was just a tool and did some interesting things. He recently tried to be a CKA and didn’t get it. I’ve flown with plenty RSW CAs/FOs that are tools of the same caliber. My least fav CA is a civy RSW. One FO was pretty well known in both groups and a complete joke. He took VSP I believe. It’s funny all the Airtran guys I’ve flown with CA and FO agree with the SW assessment here. Except one FO. He asked what I thought about him so I told him. So keep crying about it. It’s funny to see guys like you!
11-22-2022, 04:41 AM
#50
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Yeah I was in the camp that it would get "bought" but the longer this goes, the more I think nobody wants their name attached to this plane if something goes wrong down the road. All fingers will point to them and say, "see I told you so, you should have required EICAS". Its just so risky, I dont see it happening. I could absolutely be wrong on this but its my opinion.
Lets be honest, Boeing should've done this when they first released the MAX, so I have little sympathy for them nor SWA for pushing it. Yeah it would be expensive to get everyone retrained/typed but its going to cost a lot more in lost revenue/profits in the long run.
Lets be honest, Boeing should've done this when they first released the MAX, so I have little sympathy for them nor SWA for pushing it. Yeah it would be expensive to get everyone retrained/typed but its going to cost a lot more in lost revenue/profits in the long run.
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