WN Pilot Shortage
11-21-2022, 03:01 PM
#31
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SWA will not merge with nor acquire another airline within the next 4 years. SWA will not operate the Max7 aircraft. Plenty of available Max8s to backfill the Max7 orders at SWA. Organic growth for as long as new hire pilot classes can be filled.
11-21-2022, 03:35 PM
#32
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That's why IMO we absolutely SHOULD get preference when merging with a far less financially secure company. ALPA merger policy is a equity scheme. Wait and see if any of the legacies try to fold their wholely owned regionals into their list. That stupid policy will evaporate like a fart in the wind.
Read it for yourself:
The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112.[/size]The statute applies when two or more air carriers are involved in a "covered transaction," described as:
- A transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which
- Involves the transfer of ownership or control of—
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- 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
- 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier. 49 U.S.C. § 42112 (b)(4).
11-21-2022, 03:39 PM
#33
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Also, my example stands. You integrate Envoy with American, you don't get relative OR date of hire. Fair and equitable hasn't been completely defined.
11-21-2022, 03:48 PM
#34
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When companies have the football (recession, financial troubles, etc) they have no problem threatening worse and worse concessions including bankruptcy-induced contracts. And they won't hesitate pulling the bankruptcy/furlough trigger (even SWA now, as evidenced by December 2020).
When we have the football, we need to show the company that we won't hesitate to pull the trigger unless we get .every.single.thing. we're asking for.
I believe the company. It's time they believed us.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/21/business/railroad-unions-votes/index.html
We will be allowed to strike. We just have to use the levers at our disposal.
When we have the football, we need to show the company that we won't hesitate to pull the trigger unless we get .every.single.thing. we're asking for.
I believe the company. It's time they believed us.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/21/business/railroad-unions-votes/index.html
We will be allowed to strike. We just have to use the levers at our disposal.
What WILL stop us from wielding the leverage of a strike, though, is us and our own failure to grasp hold of the opportunity that is right in front of our faces. Our own lack of courage, will, and determination is the only obstacle standing in the way of us achieving a “generational” industry-leading contract. And it is a much more significant obstacle than the company, the NMB, the President, or Congress.
11-21-2022, 05:30 PM
#36
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Waterson said it’s fine to take the 8s through July. After that we need the 7s or plan B. You can’t keep putting 175 seats in a 150 or less market. I would say we will operate the Max7 eventually.
11-21-2022, 05:47 PM
#37
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The NMB cannot stop us from striking. The President cannot stop us from striking. Congress, especially until January 2025, is extremely unlikely to stop us from striking (and even if, by some improbable alignment of the stars, they ultimately intervene in our dispute, SWA would still lose hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue during the 30-day cooling off period and possible 60-day PEB that would precede us striking as passengers booked away from SWA on other airlines). That’s real leverage.
What WILL stop us from wielding the leverage of a strike, though, is us and our own failure to grasp hold of the opportunity that is right in front of our faces. Our own lack of courage, will, and determination is the only obstacle standing in the way of us achieving a “generational” industry-leading contract. And it is a much more significant obstacle than the company, the NMB, the President, or Congress.
What WILL stop us from wielding the leverage of a strike, though, is us and our own failure to grasp hold of the opportunity that is right in front of our faces. Our own lack of courage, will, and determination is the only obstacle standing in the way of us achieving a “generational” industry-leading contract. And it is a much more significant obstacle than the company, the NMB, the President, or Congress.
11-21-2022, 06:02 PM
#38
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Nothing says we can’t put some 150 seats in an -8! Perhaps after 50 years we might consider a bigger, higher priced seat for those that want it.
11-21-2022, 06:50 PM
#39
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You were lucky to keep a job. And I'm not saying that to be derogatory. That was where your "shop" was heading. I got a bunch of people that never interviewed (or did but got turned down) above me. Over 1000. MANY for the rest of my time here. From SL 9 to 10, I got over 100 more stuffed in above me. It was a stepping stone company... That I could have gone to a DECADE before I started here. But I didn't want to work for such a place and potentially be furloughed at any moment.
This is the reason it needs to be brought up again. Not to argue with Wack, because he'll never see it any other way. There should be no way a "senior" guy from a stepping stone carrier gets seniority over us. And that's what might be coming down the sewer line if we let it. Instead of the 6-7 year upgrade new guys/gals might expect, it could easily get turned into 10-15 years. They need to know.
i recently had lunch with a kid just finishing up his commercial. He's going to be at a major/legacy within 2 years. Great kid. But he knows NOTHING about the airline business. Which means he has zero reference to where the many pitfalls and traps lay. No idea about unions... no idea about 50 billion in debt vs having money in the bank. (Why I wanted to come here even with huge shortcomings in equipment and mature contract items.) Even with all the warts, this place is sound for a pax carrying operation. That's why IMO we absolutely SHOULD get preference when merging with a far less financially secure company. ALPA merger policy is a equity scheme. Wait and see if any of the legacies try to fold their wholely owned regionals into their list. That stupid policy will evaporate like a fart in the wind.
This is the reason it needs to be brought up again. Not to argue with Wack, because he'll never see it any other way. There should be no way a "senior" guy from a stepping stone carrier gets seniority over us. And that's what might be coming down the sewer line if we let it. Instead of the 6-7 year upgrade new guys/gals might expect, it could easily get turned into 10-15 years. They need to know.
i recently had lunch with a kid just finishing up his commercial. He's going to be at a major/legacy within 2 years. Great kid. But he knows NOTHING about the airline business. Which means he has zero reference to where the many pitfalls and traps lay. No idea about unions... no idea about 50 billion in debt vs having money in the bank. (Why I wanted to come here even with huge shortcomings in equipment and mature contract items.) Even with all the warts, this place is sound for a pax carrying operation. That's why IMO we absolutely SHOULD get preference when merging with a far less financially secure company. ALPA merger policy is a equity scheme. Wait and see if any of the legacies try to fold their wholely owned regionals into their list. That stupid policy will evaporate like a fart in the wind.
Yeah, not so much. If you got more than a 1000 above you, you were just of probation when SL 9 was signed. You didn’t want to go to a AT, because you were afraid of being furloughed, that is your choice, but just because other people did, doesn’t give you any more rights when you merge, things happen while you wait for things to happen. You made a mistake not going to AT, and holding out for a slow growing company with a long upgrade…… Do you see how whiny you sound?
Can’t believe you could post that. You waited 10 years to go to SWA?
Well, I have a family member that declined to go to SWA in 2003, went to AT in 2005, and is finally able to upgrade in the base they got displaced into(because 5 years AT was 16 months at SWA)…(and yes, after all that, they aren’t *****ing like you)
Not everyone picked SWA over AT.
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