Contract Expectations
11-16-2022, 07:14 AM
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I agree with everything you're saying. When it comes down to it though regarding the contract, whether or not the regionals should exist at all doesn't matter. Right now they do and our new hires and first couple year guys should not be seeing the pilots at those regionals that they just left making significantly more than them.
11-16-2022, 07:16 AM
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I have a class date of 12/27 and am currently a regional CRJ captain making pretty good money. Still seems crazy to me. In the long run of my career I know it’ll be worth the switch, can’t wait to work for SWA. Realistically when do people feel a new contract may be ready?
11-16-2022, 07:17 AM
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I agree with everything you're saying. When it comes down to it though regarding the contract, whether or not the regionals should exist at all doesn't matter. Right now they do and our new hires and first couple year guys should not be seeing the pilots at those regionals that they just left making significantly more than them.
11-16-2022, 08:18 AM
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I got similar comments from the left seat. I tried to tell them that thing could carry 140 pax from ISP to BUR nonstop without runway issues on either end, but they still thought it was an RJ and nothing I said was going to change their minds.
The absolute WORST comment I got though was from a former single seat fighter pilot who said that military pilots shouldn’t have to fly the “RJ” and should be given some kind of superseniority when hired and fly the 737 - out of seniority if necessary - if we got that type. He was serious!! WTF?!
The same guy asked what would happen if an A220 FO wanted to upgrade to 737 captain with no 737 experience.
I was like… “uh…he bids it, he is awarded it, and he goes to school?”
He told me that couldn’t happen. You had to be a 737 copilot before you could upgrade on a 737.
I attempted to reason with him by explaining that at the legacies there are lots of times when an FO might never have flown a type before upgrading to Captain on it. He told me I was wrong and that couldn’t happen. Mind you this is the one and only airline he has ever worked for and has apparently never had communication with a pilot from any other airline…? 🙄
The absolute WORST comment I got though was from a former single seat fighter pilot who said that military pilots shouldn’t have to fly the “RJ” and should be given some kind of superseniority when hired and fly the 737 - out of seniority if necessary - if we got that type. He was serious!! WTF?!
The same guy asked what would happen if an A220 FO wanted to upgrade to 737 captain with no 737 experience.
I was like… “uh…he bids it, he is awarded it, and he goes to school?”
He told me that couldn’t happen. You had to be a 737 copilot before you could upgrade on a 737.
I attempted to reason with him by explaining that at the legacies there are lots of times when an FO might never have flown a type before upgrading to Captain on it. He told me I was wrong and that couldn’t happen. Mind you this is the one and only airline he has ever worked for and has apparently never had communication with a pilot from any other airline…? 🙄
btw I wish I had a baron to fly those cancelled checks in. All I got was a 172, sometimes 210 and if lucky a senica.
11-16-2022, 09:34 AM
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reminds me of when WN started letting FOs be classroom instructors. The cpt said no one should be an instructor without being a cpt first. I said a lot of FOs here have been cpts before southwest. He said not on a 737. I said I bet a few have been. He then yelled not a on a southwest 737! He definitely had me there.
btw I wish I had a baron to fly those cancelled checks in. All I got was a 172, sometimes 210 and if lucky a senica.
btw I wish I had a baron to fly those cancelled checks in. All I got was a 172, sometimes 210 and if lucky a senica.
11-16-2022, 09:44 AM
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I have a class date of 12/27 and am currently a regional CRJ captain making pretty good money. Still seems crazy to me. In the long run of my career I know it’ll be worth the switch, can’t wait to work for SWA. Realistically when do people feel a new contract may be ready?
Nobody wants to go first because they either overpay or they get passed immediately by competitors. Hot take, the regionals are NOT dead. Yes these new contracts are stupid expensive but once the big 4 drop new contracts, it will still be cheap labor. The hub and spoke model relies very heavily on bringing in people from the small markets, this is why the codeshares are willing to pay it. 24 months from now, these regional contracts will still be a fraction of mainline rates.
My pay expectations:
Current converted to hours:
12 yrs CA: $274.03
12 yrs FO: $191.81 (70% of CA)
05 yrs FO: $164.55 (86% of max FO)
01 yrs FO: $84.52 (44% of max FO)
In the year 2000, before all the CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS, the going rate for a 737 classic Captain at max pay was around $226 per hour. Adjusted for inflation (Source BLS: CPI Index) is $399.
New Rates:
12 yrs CA: $399
12 yrs FO: $279.30
05 yrs FO: $240.20
01 yrs FO: $122.90
Now keep in mind, these rates are only reclaiming the concessions we gave up. This does NOT include a single pay raise or account for the fact that we are flying planes with 30-50 more seats. If we vote yes on anything less than this, we are still taking a massive paycut. Demand what you are worth!
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11-16-2022, 11:03 AM
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Am I the only one that gets more annoyed every time one of the regionals announces a new contract with high pay rates? Only because I feel like the rates that will be presented to us wont even come close to matching it. Hell even a 50% raise for the first couple year guys would still be less than the regional captains are making.
Our rates need to start at $160 for first year guys and go way up from there. Unfortunately I don't see that happening and the contract will get voted in by all of the 15+ year guys making serious bucks and not caring that the new guys are actually giving up a lot of money to come here. Which means they wont do it and we wont be able to fill classes.
Our rates need to start at $160 for first year guys and go way up from there. Unfortunately I don't see that happening and the contract will get voted in by all of the 15+ year guys making serious bucks and not caring that the new guys are actually giving up a lot of money to come here. Which means they wont do it and we wont be able to fill classes.
11-16-2022, 11:52 AM
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Talking about military guys (and coming from a former enlisted man BTW so no accusations of being anti-military) and the whole "we fighter types shouldn't ever have to fly an RJ etc because its demeaning" or whatever.....one of my funniest memories was back in the early 2000s when USAF time and $0.75 would get you a cup of coffee...watching a single seat military type trying to fly a VOR approach with a PT in the Jetstream by hand. I should have charged ACA $50/hr for flight instruction.
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