Epoch Times article... oh boy
08-13-2022, 11:45 AM
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There's a difference Lew... first of all, the corporation doesn't own us. On the other hand, many of us are shareholders, so it could be said that we own parts of this corporation. Secondly, we are not a social justice company. We are an airline. Our purpose is literally to "Connect People to what’s important in their lives through friendly, reliable, and low-cost air travel." I think the company nailed it 2 years ago when they said no BLM or political statements allowed on uniforms. As a company, we should be totally apolitical and make a very loud voice that we stay away from any controversial, divisive and partisan topics and initiatives that foster division. When people ask why... because as an employer, we espouse true inclusiveness and diversity but celebrate and champion what brings us together, and that's "Connecting People to what’s important in their lives through friendly, reliable, and low-cost air travel" and leave it at that. Instead, we are championing and promoting the left-wing agenda and alienating a rather large chunk of our employees.
Instead of focusing on what brings us together, we focus on and celebrate what's actually separating us (race, sex, sexual preference/orientation, political agenda, etc.) This company has a knack for snatching defeat out of jaws of victory in so many ways.
Instead of focusing on what brings us together, we focus on and celebrate what's actually separating us (race, sex, sexual preference/orientation, political agenda, etc.) This company has a knack for snatching defeat out of jaws of victory in so many ways.
I’m talking about the situation in terms more broadly than just SWA. SWA employees are hardly the only employees effected by wokeism.
But take SWA as an example. Why shouldn’t the SWA BOD and executives be able to run the company as they see fit? If they believe promoting a certain political agenda and silencing or firing employees who oppose that agenda helps generate profits, shouldn’t they have the freedom to run their business in a way they feel maximizes the bottom line? Admittedly, they might miscalculate and be wrong about what they think creates the most revenue, but shouldn’t they have that freedom to run their business the way they want to?
You feel like the SWA BOD’s and executives’ approach to wokeism is misguided. Apparently, they don’t agree with you. And SWA is making A LOT of money right now, so it doesn’t seem to be harming corporate income yet.
As a shareholder of SWA, you have the ability to propose and vote on certain motions at shareholder meetings. Maybe that’s the best avenue to affect the change you’d like to see?
At least in SWA’s case, the profit motive, for right now at least, seems to favor staying the course.
But maybe US citizens’ rights to free speech shouldn’t be regulated so tightly by corporations. Maybe it’s time to think about updating free speech rights for the era of massive corporations and social media, neither of which really existed on the scale they do today back in the late 1700’s when the Bill of Rights came into existence.
08-13-2022, 11:59 AM
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08-13-2022, 12:05 PM
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There's a difference Lew... first of all, the corporation doesn't own us. On the other hand, many of us are shareholders, so it could be said that we own parts of this corporation. Secondly, we are not a social justice company. We are an airline. Our purpose is literally to "Connect People to what’s important in their lives through friendly, reliable, and low-cost air travel." I think the company nailed it 2 years ago when they said no BLM or political statements allowed on uniforms. As a company, we should be totally apolitical and make a very loud voice that we stay away from any controversial, divisive and partisan topics and initiatives that foster division. When people ask why... because as an employer, we espouse true inclusiveness and diversity but celebrate and champion what brings us together, and that's "Connecting People to what’s important in their lives through friendly, reliable, and low-cost air travel" and leave it at that. Instead, we are championing and promoting the left-wing agenda and alienating a rather large chunk of our employees.
Instead of focusing on what brings us together, we focus on and celebrate what's actually separating us (race, sex, sexual preference/orientation, political agenda, etc.) This company has a knack for snatching defeat out of jaws of victory in so many ways.
Instead of focusing on what brings us together, we focus on and celebrate what's actually separating us (race, sex, sexual preference/orientation, political agenda, etc.) This company has a knack for snatching defeat out of jaws of victory in so many ways.
Look up the new governmental ESG programs.
This is how/why this woke stuff is creeping into large companies.
Build Back Better is not our current president’s slogan, it was issued to him by other groups from across the pond.
08-13-2022, 12:19 PM
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Wait till you get blindsided like so many of our pilots. It's enough right now for some "protected" person to merely make an accusation, and you're fighting for your job. I don't think SWAPA would be asking for separate hotels if the problems were very much isolated and rare.
I also have some experience with these types of accusations which thankfully didn't go beyond the initial reaction and exchange. Did you know it's considered sexist to offer your hand to help a FA off the crew van? Forget chivalry or being a gentleman... that is a sexist act. Go figure. And if you paid attention to your harassment training modules, the fact that your intent was to help the FA not taking a face plant is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is how your action was perceived. Oh, and in these woke times, it can be reported by a third person who is uninvolved but witnessed the act and takes offense.
I think it goes a tad beyond "not being an arse."
I also have some experience with these types of accusations which thankfully didn't go beyond the initial reaction and exchange. Did you know it's considered sexist to offer your hand to help a FA off the crew van? Forget chivalry or being a gentleman... that is a sexist act. Go figure. And if you paid attention to your harassment training modules, the fact that your intent was to help the FA not taking a face plant is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is how your action was perceived. Oh, and in these woke times, it can be reported by a third person who is uninvolved but witnessed the act and takes offense.
I think it goes a tad beyond "not being an arse."
Explain it that way to any goober who has a problem with it. I offer my hand to the males too as a bit of levity.
People who have a problem with it can pound sand.
08-13-2022, 04:31 PM
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I’m talking about the situation in terms more broadly than just SWA. SWA employees are hardly the only employees effected by wokeism.
But take SWA as an example. Why shouldn’t the SWA BOD and executives be able to run the company as they see fit? If they believe promoting a certain political agenda and silencing or firing employees who oppose that agenda helps generate profits, shouldn’t they have the freedom to run their business in a way they feel maximizes the bottom line? Admittedly, they might miscalculate and be wrong about what they think creates the most revenue, but shouldn’t they have that freedom to run their business the way they want to?
You feel like the SWA BOD’s and executives’ approach to wokeism is misguided. Apparently, they don’t agree with you. And SWA is making A LOT of money right now, so it doesn’t seem to be harming corporate income yet.
As a shareholder of SWA, you have the ability to propose and vote on certain motions at shareholder meetings. Maybe that’s the best avenue to affect the change you’d like to see?
At least in SWA’s case, the profit motive, for right now at least, seems to favor staying the course.
But maybe US citizens’ rights to free speech shouldn’t be regulated so tightly by corporations. Maybe it’s time to think about updating free speech rights for the era of massive corporations and social media, neither of which really existed on the scale they do today back in the late 1700’s when the Bill of Rights came into existence.
But take SWA as an example. Why shouldn’t the SWA BOD and executives be able to run the company as they see fit? If they believe promoting a certain political agenda and silencing or firing employees who oppose that agenda helps generate profits, shouldn’t they have the freedom to run their business in a way they feel maximizes the bottom line? Admittedly, they might miscalculate and be wrong about what they think creates the most revenue, but shouldn’t they have that freedom to run their business the way they want to?
You feel like the SWA BOD’s and executives’ approach to wokeism is misguided. Apparently, they don’t agree with you. And SWA is making A LOT of money right now, so it doesn’t seem to be harming corporate income yet.
As a shareholder of SWA, you have the ability to propose and vote on certain motions at shareholder meetings. Maybe that’s the best avenue to affect the change you’d like to see?
At least in SWA’s case, the profit motive, for right now at least, seems to favor staying the course.
But maybe US citizens’ rights to free speech shouldn’t be regulated so tightly by corporations. Maybe it’s time to think about updating free speech rights for the era of massive corporations and social media, neither of which really existed on the scale they do today back in the late 1700’s when the Bill of Rights came into existence.
08-13-2022, 04:40 PM
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Helping the FA out of the van isn’t sexist or chivalrous. It’s practical. They’re stepping down, sometimes to an uncertain surface, in shoes whose heels usually have very little surface area and can lead to a rolled ankle or worse.
Explain it that way to any goober who has a problem with it. I offer my hand to the males too as a bit of levity.
People who have a problem with it can pound sand.
Explain it that way to any goober who has a problem with it. I offer my hand to the males too as a bit of levity.
People who have a problem with it can pound sand.
08-13-2022, 04:40 PM
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SWAPA does. They put out a reporting point or podcast in the last year where they detailed this issue of pilots being written up. The numbers are extremely one sided, as in pilots almost never write up FAs.
08-13-2022, 04:43 PM
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In a sane world - absolutely. But remember... we no longer live in a sane world. It doesn't matter what you think or how you intend it. The only thing that matters is how it's perceived by the receiving or nowadays the third party. It's enough for one to take offense, and that's good enough for "fact-finding investigation."
Soon, all you'll have left is Tucker on the TV and your overpriced gold bars.
08-13-2022, 04:49 PM
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08-13-2022, 06:37 PM
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