Originally Posted by Cleared4appch

I couldn’t agree more! I feel like nearly everything mentioned in this article highlights the major problems we are having in this industry right now. It’s like the big 800 pound gorilla in the room that EVERYONE knows is there, but we’re not allowed to talk about it, because, well, “you’ll lose your job if you speak up. So keep your mouth shut.”

I don’t hear this brought up in aviation circles very much, it rarely comes up. I feel like many in our profession will try to hint their dislike of many of the things this article talks about, but we all just kind of feel like we shouldn’t ‘go there,’ even if we both agree on it. Too much risk, very little reward. There’s always someone within earshot that will ‘report’ us for having a difference of opinion. It could cost us our jobs and careers. Heck, it costed some of these people’s jobs mentioned in this article. I hear this talked about amongst just about everyone in non-aviation circles, all the time. They aren’t afraid to talk about it. But many pilots tiptoe around it. I think even many liberals who are more moderate are getting sick and fed up with the points mentioned in the article. I don’t think the airlines are moving in the right direction with this. They are past the point of taking it way too far. A lot of people outside of aviation HATE flying on the airlines to get around these days, even with the mask mandate dropped. They absolutely hate the staff! We saw a huge spike in air rage incidents in 2021. Not only did we have the mask mandate in place all last year, but we also could see many of the things that the article mentioned as well, namely problems with flight attendants. More and more I keep hearing of other pilots who avoid hanging around FA’s on overnights. I don’t blame them one bit. Some of these flight attendants let the ‘empowerment’ and entitlement they think they have go to their heads. I didn’t notice these things in years past. This in turn causes passengers to get angry with them. Now, I’m not defending any of the passengers that were involved in any of the incidents, but, at the same time, I feel like many of the flight attendants involved may have contributed to the outbursts of anger in many of these passengers, ESPECIALLY over the mask mandate.

It’s no coincidence that we saw the biggest uptick in air rage incidents in 2021 when the mask rule was in place. I think much of the pestering of the passengers with the mask enforcement was done by ‘woke’ FA’s. I’ve experienced it several times even when i accidentally let the mask slip down. It has gotten ridiculous, they have gone overboard with it. And too often there’s a double standard. But yet, our industry normalized it. Many of these FA’s have taken advantage of Covid and all the ‘rules’ and ‘protocols’ associated with it, and have gone on a complete power trip. I hope these trends don’t continue. Despite all of this I still love this industry and the people in it. I think this article is absolutely spot on. Anyone who would disagree isn’t really paying attention.

Originally Posted by Cleared4appch

I know of very few in my career so far who would use racial slurs or make sexist remarks. Quit acting like that’s the norm.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Also "you ain't got no balls unless you're rollin' coal!" Yeehaw!

Originally Posted by waterskisabersw

Are you in your first day at the airlines? Hardly a day goes by that I don't hear multiple off color comments. From calling the FAs the girls when it's three men, calling male flight attendants "Richards", a captain directly telling a new hire flight attendant that it's been too long since he's seen a new hire flight attendant topless, telling a male flight attendant who's talking to a friend that his gay marriage is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, hearing the name of the driver of a car accident at MCO and saying "well that's not surprising then with that demographic", commenting on the woman in the sensitivity training video and saying "i can tell you what I would do to her", a captain referring to his daughter as "it" for an entire pairing, or even the guy above who called one of these groups "nut jobs" and compared them to neutered dogs. Etc.

These are just examples in the last month that I've personally witnessed. Are people dropping racial slurs every flight? No, though I've flown with plenty of people who do. But to say that you rarely hear racist or sexist remarks is laughable. There was even a recent Facebook post on the 2020 page that had to be taken down because of the racist bile people were spouting about the PAPA conference that swa was sponsoring.

I'm not saying we all have to walk on eggshells at work or that an overheard joke needs to be turned into immediate terminations, and I do think the wokeness is getting out of control, but if you don't think that some work really DOES need to be done, you may want to look in the mirror a little.

Originally Posted by waterskisabersw

Are you in your first day at the airlines? Hardly a day goes by that I don't hear multiple off color comments. From calling the FAs the girls when it's three men, calling male flight attendants "Richards", a captain directly telling a new hire flight attendant that it's been too long since he's seen a new hire flight attendant topless, telling a male flight attendant who's talking to a friend that his gay marriage is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, hearing the name of the driver of a car accident at MCO and saying "well that's not surprising then with that demographic", commenting on the woman in the sensitivity training video and saying "i can tell you what I would do to her", a captain referring to his daughter as "it" for an entire pairing, or even the guy above who called one of these groups "nut jobs" and compared them to neutered dogs. Etc.

These are just examples in the last month that I've personally witnessed. Are people dropping racial slurs every flight? No, though I've flown with plenty of people who do. But to say that you rarely hear racist or sexist remarks is laughable. There was even a recent Facebook post on the 2020 page that had to be taken down because of the racist bile people were spouting about the PAPA conference that swa was sponsoring.

I'm not saying we all have to walk on eggshells at work or that an overheard joke needs to be turned into immediate terminations, and I do think the wokeness is getting out of control, but if you don't think that some work really DOES need to be done, you may want to look in the mirror a little.

Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax

Luckily, the pilot side of aviation doesn't have too many nutjobs who can't figure out what they are. I for one would have serious doubts about the stability issues having a co-pilot who can't figure themselves out. There is a reason the suicide rate amongst this population is so high. Unstable mentally. Not fit to be trusted with an airliner.

Originally Posted by at6d

This is my point—that woke us going to ultimately harm not help. Have you listened to or read the SWAPA podcast about the incidents of pilots being written up by flight attendants? The numbers involved is eye opening.

Remember the separate hotels movement? There’s a reason.

Now allegations are out that the company wants non-pilots to hire pilots. It’s getting weirder all the time.

Originally Posted by velosnow

Funny, I've been in the 121 biz for 17 years haven't been written up once by a co-worker. Has nothing to do with woke or not, just don't be an arse.

Oh and Epoch Times? Lol.