Epoch Times article... oh boy
08-16-2022, 12:21 PM
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That’s precisely why plenty of minorities also oppose this for exactly the same reason…
08-16-2022, 12:55 PM
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I gotta hand it to Fox News. For a news outfit that has 1.3 million daily viewers out of over 300 million, they sure do live rent free in the heads of the fanatics looking for a boogeyman.
08-16-2022, 03:22 PM
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Hell yeah!
This was a couple years back. There was a kid who came up to the cockpit to say hello, and as it turned out, he was graduating high school and was interested in aviation. I usually don't mention people's race, but because it has a bearing on his discussion, he was black. It was a terminating plane and we were done. I stayed on the plane for him as he had a lot of questions. Everyone had already left the plane, so did the captain, I ended up shutting it down and then I walked with this kid to his parents at baggage claim. I gave him my business card along with all my contact info. We are exchanging emails regularly. He is a CFI now building time and working on finishing up his degree. Do I want to give him a handout? HELL NO! This kid has earned every last rating, and hasn't failed a single stage check, or a checkride so far. I have zero doubt he will end up flying for a major airline. What I DON'T want for him is to have a lingering question over his head on whether he's really earned it, or he got it only because he's black. This kid is a driven individual with a lot of integrity and a strong drive and yet is very humble. This kid will get hired on his merits alone. Why make him feel like he's getting hired because he's a minority as opposed to squarely based on his merits especially when he's checking off every box like every other up and coming pilot who doesn't happen to be a minority? Why do this to him? This kid has every right to be proud of his accomplishments without them being tarnished by some wokeist's virtue signaling.
Another example, a few weeks back, I've taken up another kid up in my airplane. For the sake of this conversation, he also happened to be black. A family member introduced him to me. He wanted a ride and he asked if he could wash my plane in exchange. I told him sure, but instead of grabbing a chair and watching him wash my plane, I showed him how I wash my plane, and we did it together in half the time. We talked about the plane, career paths, and then when we were done, we flew for the proverbial $100 burger about an hour flight away and I had him fly most of the way there. We had our $100 burger, and coming back same thing, I had him fly again. The kid has a lot of talent and I pointed him out to D225 and United Aviate programs. He's currently waiting to hear, but I've already showed him a number of various paths if those don't end up being right for him. Again, this kid has a friend and an ally in me, and his race has as much to do with it as his eyes color.
There's yet another kid... a white kid, but this kid comes from a poor family. He's currently pumping fuel at the FBO. He's working on his ratings. Do we ignore him because he's white and supposedly "white-privileged?"
Yep, agreed. And again, there's a world of difference between helping and mentoring someone, and giving them a free pass or preference squarely based on their race, gender, etc.
This was a couple years back. There was a kid who came up to the cockpit to say hello, and as it turned out, he was graduating high school and was interested in aviation. I usually don't mention people's race, but because it has a bearing on his discussion, he was black. It was a terminating plane and we were done. I stayed on the plane for him as he had a lot of questions. Everyone had already left the plane, so did the captain, I ended up shutting it down and then I walked with this kid to his parents at baggage claim. I gave him my business card along with all my contact info. We are exchanging emails regularly. He is a CFI now building time and working on finishing up his degree. Do I want to give him a handout? HELL NO! This kid has earned every last rating, and hasn't failed a single stage check, or a checkride so far. I have zero doubt he will end up flying for a major airline. What I DON'T want for him is to have a lingering question over his head on whether he's really earned it, or he got it only because he's black. This kid is a driven individual with a lot of integrity and a strong drive and yet is very humble. This kid will get hired on his merits alone. Why make him feel like he's getting hired because he's a minority as opposed to squarely based on his merits especially when he's checking off every box like every other up and coming pilot who doesn't happen to be a minority? Why do this to him? This kid has every right to be proud of his accomplishments without them being tarnished by some wokeist's virtue signaling.
Another example, a few weeks back, I've taken up another kid up in my airplane. For the sake of this conversation, he also happened to be black. A family member introduced him to me. He wanted a ride and he asked if he could wash my plane in exchange. I told him sure, but instead of grabbing a chair and watching him wash my plane, I showed him how I wash my plane, and we did it together in half the time. We talked about the plane, career paths, and then when we were done, we flew for the proverbial $100 burger about an hour flight away and I had him fly most of the way there. We had our $100 burger, and coming back same thing, I had him fly again. The kid has a lot of talent and I pointed him out to D225 and United Aviate programs. He's currently waiting to hear, but I've already showed him a number of various paths if those don't end up being right for him. Again, this kid has a friend and an ally in me, and his race has as much to do with it as his eyes color.
There's yet another kid... a white kid, but this kid comes from a poor family. He's currently pumping fuel at the FBO. He's working on his ratings. Do we ignore him because he's white and supposedly "white-privileged?"
Yep, agreed. And again, there's a world of difference between helping and mentoring someone, and giving them a free pass or preference squarely based on their race, gender, etc.
Absolutely haven’t you learned anything yet!!
08-16-2022, 06:05 PM
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Non scientific search of the swapa Twitter feed for new hire class pictures shows since February: 316 total pilots/ 19 women/ 19 minorities. Can’t tell for certain gender identification/protected status but looks like there isn’t much change to the hiring stats. 88% white males. Again, small sample and non scientific.
If they currently only make up a small percentage, what is the expectation that an airline can hire qualified candidates in excess of that percentage?
08-16-2022, 06:45 PM
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Also black people who aren’t democrats, rappers, entertainers, (insert stereotypes), aren’t tokens. There is such a thing as a black conservative or even a black pilot, but they are the minority amongst black people. So most black pilots actually don’t like this virtue signaling thing due to the fact that it discredits everything they’ve achieved.
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08-17-2022, 03:17 AM
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But wait... I thought the entire premise of this article, and those supporting it, was that this was a safety issue?
08-17-2022, 05:03 AM
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Air France 447
German Wings 9525
Those are quick ones off the top of my head.
Both of those were complete hull losses involving everyone killed. So what is the point of pointing out a cockpit that is not two white males? Both of those had two white males and all were killed and German Wings was a suicide…this whole debate is ridiculous.
Race and Gender does not matter. It’s skill, background, training, etc
German Wings 9525
Those are quick ones off the top of my head.
Both of those were complete hull losses involving everyone killed. So what is the point of pointing out a cockpit that is not two white males? Both of those had two white males and all were killed and German Wings was a suicide…this whole debate is ridiculous.
Race and Gender does not matter. It’s skill, background, training, etc
08-17-2022, 05:45 AM
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Also black people who aren’t democrats, rappers, entertainers, (insert stereotypes), aren’t tokens. There is such a thing as a black conservative or even a black pilot, but they are the minority amongst black people. So most black pilots actually don’t like this virtue signaling thing due to the fact that it discredits everything they’ve achieved.
Ever stop and wonder what people want in life? Take a kid today... how many of them want to be pilots vs. say... social media influencers? How many would want to be YouTube personalities as opposed to A&P's? What about singers or sport stars vs. aviation professionals? How about women.... how many would prefer to have family (husband, kids) vs. being a pilot and being gone half the month or longer? How many women pilots voluntarily stop flying to be a mom and a wife? Know any of those? I sure do. But see, the "progressives" don't seem to support those women because in their warped minds, those women are victims. Naturally, of course a woman cannot be happy being a mom and a wife, right?
Know many successful minorities? I sure do. But many "progressives" don't really care for those people either because none of those people consider themselves oppressed or anyone's victims, and they don't support their ideology. Generally speaking, the "progressives", and especially white "progressives" consider minorities to be victims who cannot survive without their handout. It has nothing to do with reality, but everything with the need of the white liberal to feel good about themselves i.e. virtue signaling, and their quest for political power by tricking and brainwashing the minorities into believing they are victims just to garner their votes. Notice how they don't celebrate the minorities who succeed on their own accord and don't espouse their ideology. In fact, they mock them. You have a great example of it in this thread... And what's awful is that it translates into many minorities' mindsets - being a victim of the society is cool and celebrated, but being a success story - you're some kind of a "sellout" or a "token." Talk about a sick and twisted ideology.
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