dawgdriver

^^^100%^^^

Equity means same outcomes, regardless of qualifications, experience, effort or talent. Unfair practice that only creates more animosity, racism and sexism. Reversing the ethnicity or sex of the victim is still discrimination and will carry the same destructive outcomes.

“Per the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against applicants or employees because of that person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

dawgdriver

One final comment (I promise)

After decades of flying, I can honestly say some of the BEST AND WORST pilots I’ve flown with were minorities and females. Why? Because white males that under-perform are FAR less likely to make it through the wickets then their politically sensitive female/minority counterparts. To deny this Is to deny the reality that Corporate HR and training departments are highly sensitive to the optics and liability and therefore FAR less likely to terminate minorities and females for performance. This is where safety becomes a factor. Not hard to figure out.

Hobbit64

Quick question:
Of all the folks here raging about this…
Have any of you spent time -Pro Bono- teaching Aviation (i.e. private pilot ground school/flt lessons) to a minority, underprivileged, disadvantaged -insert your adjective-potential future aviator?

Put down your swords and just do it. There are plenty of opportunities to do this in our country. I can promise you that *You* will gain far more than the young man or woman you share our passion for flight with. And you will be humbled and gain so much pride in the future potential of our great country in the process.

I once had a friend tell me: “It’s one thing to drop a 20 in the collection plate at church. It’s a totally different thing to buy a bunch of peanut butter, jelly and bread; make the sandwiches and hand them yourself to starving homeless people”

Not preaching, but for f$(ks sake!
Acta Non Verba
S. T. F. U. , and get after it.

Mytime2025

Epoch Times?.Really ? Political trash rag. Keep politics off the forum.

at6d

And yes, any pilot in the terminal would pick it up. We are pilots. We don’t pay for newspapers!

Fly4FunAA

Facts. Well said honestly. How many black, mixed, hispanic, Native American, or Asian pilots do you see? Most probably got exposed to aviation through programs like OBAP or other outreach programs to get more minorities involved. A lot of people go to OBAP to get jobs, but once you have the job, it wouldn’t hurt to go back and pay it forward.

AntiPeter

Imagine this type of language in your next airline CBA:

https://m.startribune.com/new-minnea...=n&clmob=y&c=n

“By next spring, however, teachers of color in the district will have new safeguards. The agreement that ended the three-week teachers strike this spring includes contract language that upends the traditional last-in, first-out hiring policies as a way to retain "members of populations underrepresented among licensed teachers."

Pilot4000

I think we can see these practices in full effect, just by looking at the photos of new hire classes at legacy airlines. Its made up mostly of women and minorities. It's rare to see a white guy make it all the way through the hiring process. Sad state of affairs, but we'll see the results of this when airplanes start plummeting from the skies because they are being flown by someone non-white, and non-male.

RJSAviator76

Hell yeah!

This was a couple years back. There was a kid who came up to the cockpit to say hello, and as it turned out, he was graduating high school and was interested in aviation. I usually don't mention people's race, but because it has a bearing on his discussion, he was black. It was a terminating plane and we were done. I stayed on the plane for him as he had a lot of questions. Everyone had already left the plane, so did the captain, I ended up shutting it down and then I walked with this kid to his parents at baggage claim. I gave him my business card along with all my contact info. We are exchanging emails regularly. He is a CFI now building time and working on finishing up his degree. Do I want to give him a handout? HELL NO! This kid has earned every last rating, and hasn't failed a single stage check, or a checkride so far. I have zero doubt he will end up flying for a major airline. What I DON'T want for him is to have a lingering question over his head on whether he's really earned it, or he got it only because he's black. This kid is a driven individual with a lot of integrity and a strong drive and yet is very humble. This kid will get hired on his merits alone. Why make him feel like he's getting hired because he's a minority as opposed to squarely based on his merits especially when he's checking off every box like every other up and coming pilot who doesn't happen to be a minority? Why do this to him? This kid has every right to be proud of his accomplishments without them being tarnished by some wokeist's virtue signaling.

Another example, a few weeks back, I've taken up another kid up in my airplane. For the sake of this conversation, he also happened to be black. A family member introduced him to me. He wanted a ride and he asked if he could wash my plane in exchange. I told him sure, but instead of grabbing a chair and watching him wash my plane, I showed him how I wash my plane, and we did it together in half the time. We talked about the plane, career paths, and then when we were done, we flew for the proverbial $100 burger about an hour flight away and I had him fly most of the way there. We had our $100 burger, and coming back same thing, I had him fly again. The kid has a lot of talent and I pointed him out to D225 and United Aviate programs. He's currently waiting to hear, but I've already showed him a number of various paths if those don't end up being right for him. Again, this kid has a friend and an ally in me, and his race has as much to do with it as his eyes color.

There's yet another kid... a white kid, but this kid comes from a poor family. He's currently pumping fuel at the FBO. He's working on his ratings. Do we ignore him because he's white and supposedly "white-privileged?"



Yep, agreed. And again, there's a world of difference between helping and mentoring someone, and giving them a free pass or preference squarely based on their race, gender, etc.

jaxsurf

That’s why I always stop by the cockpit when boarding, just to make sure both pilots are older white men with gray hair (I feel extra safe if the left seater refers to the FO as his ‘copilot’). If they’re not, I turn around and get off the plane, while warning those behind me of the danger.