SWA or UAL
08-06-2022, 06:28 PM
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2019
Posts: 312
Ummmmm, UAL’s current contract(not the TA that would have been voted down) has language that stipulates breakfast (hot unless you specifically order cereal) for ANY flight that has a report time before 8 AM. Yes- AUS- IAH and flights of that length and shorter have hot breakfast (sometimes the pilots choose to eat before pushback or trays delivered just passing 10,000 on climb out). No transportation at layover waiting upon reaching the curb? Uber black at block-in (aircraft block in) plus 30 minutes and expense. No questions asked and funds show up in your checking account within 72 hours. Transportation company (layovers in excess of 14 hours are not at an airport hotel so private transportation companies used) not there at hotel at pickup time? A chat icon on each pilots iPad for the flight number opens and you simply type in that you are waiting for transportation at the hotel and will get there once the transportation arrives (we don’t Uber TO the airport if transportation is late as this is their problem). This chat is monitored by the customer service team working the flight, flight attendants, operations staff (or hub operations for the zone your departure gate is located within). They make things happen when they realize we aren’t securing our own ride TO the airport (to be honest, this rarely happens). On the topic of CSRs or ops people/FAs questioning the CPT; it very rarely happens. They give us a pretty big rope at UAL and and very seldom question a decision we make. Sometimes we make poor decisions but that is on us.
For the above that I enjoy daily as a captain at UAL, I thank the UALALPA of years past who set the precedent. Sure, we just torpedoed a TA that was negotiated by some out of touch negotiators and the chairman resigned last week. I wouldn’t compare UALALPA to your snack eating captain though. Sorry.
08-06-2022, 06:54 PM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 643
Ummmmm, UAL’s current contract(not the TA that would have been voted down) has language that stipulates breakfast (hot unless you specifically order cereal) for ANY flight that has a report time before 8 AM. Yes- AUS- IAH and flights of that length and shorter have hot breakfast (sometimes the pilots choose to eat before pushback or trays delivered just passing 10,000 on climb out). No transportation at layover waiting upon reaching the curb? Uber black at block-in (aircraft block in) plus 30 minutes and expense. No questions asked and funds show up in your checking account within 72 hours. Transportation company (layovers in excess of 14 hours are not at an airport hotel so private transportation companies used) not there at hotel at pickup time? A chat icon on each pilots iPad for the flight number opens and you simply type in that you are waiting for transportation at the hotel and will get there once the transportation arrives (we don’t Uber TO the airport if transportation is late as this is their problem). This chat is monitored by the customer service team working the flight, flight attendants, operations staff (or hub operations for the zone your departure gate is located within). They make things happen when they realize we aren’t securing our own ride TO the airport (to be honest, this rarely happens). On the topic of CSRs or ops people/FAs questioning the CPT; it very rarely happens. They give us a pretty big rope at UAL and and very seldom question a decision we make. Sometimes we make poor decisions but that is on us.
For the above that I enjoy daily as a captain at UAL, I thank the UALALPA of years past who set the precedent. Sure, we just torpedoed a TA that was negotiated by some out of touch negotiators and the chairman resigned last week. I wouldn’t compare UALALPA to your snack eating captain though. Sorry.
For the above that I enjoy daily as a captain at UAL, I thank the UALALPA of years past who set the precedent. Sure, we just torpedoed a TA that was negotiated by some out of touch negotiators and the chairman resigned last week. I wouldn’t compare UALALPA to your snack eating captain though. Sorry.
08-06-2022, 08:35 PM
#55
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
Ummmmm, UAL’s current contract(not the TA that would have been voted down) has language that stipulates breakfast (hot unless you specifically order cereal) for ANY flight that has a report time before 8 AM. Yes- AUS- IAH and flights of that length and shorter have hot breakfast (sometimes the pilots choose to eat before pushback or trays delivered just passing 10,000 on climb out). No transportation at layover waiting upon reaching the curb? Uber black at block-in (aircraft block in) plus 30 minutes and expense. No questions asked and funds show up in your checking account within 72 hours. Transportation company (layovers in excess of 14 hours are not at an airport hotel so private transportation companies used) not there at hotel at pickup time? A chat icon on each pilots iPad for the flight number opens and you simply type in that you are waiting for transportation at the hotel and will get there once the transportation arrives (we don’t Uber TO the airport if transportation is late as this is their problem). This chat is monitored by the customer service team working the flight, flight attendants, operations staff (or hub operations for the zone your departure gate is located within). They make things happen when they realize we aren’t securing our own ride TO the airport (to be honest, this rarely happens). On the topic of CSRs or ops people/FAs questioning the CPT; it very rarely happens. They give us a pretty big rope at UAL and and very seldom question a decision we make. Sometimes we make poor decisions but that is on us.
For the above that I enjoy daily as a captain at UAL, I thank the UALALPA of years past who set the precedent. Sure, we just torpedoed a TA that was negotiated by some out of touch negotiators and the chairman resigned last week. I wouldn’t compare UALALPA to your snack eating captain though. Sorry.
For the above that I enjoy daily as a captain at UAL, I thank the UALALPA of years past who set the precedent. Sure, we just torpedoed a TA that was negotiated by some out of touch negotiators and the chairman resigned last week. I wouldn’t compare UALALPA to your snack eating captain though. Sorry.
We’re just one really, really, big regional airline flying Boeing RJs that makes money despite their gross mismanagement as of late.
Is it the 20th yet?
08-06-2022, 09:27 PM
#56
gets time off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,234
Per FAR 117 you need 8 hours of sllep opportunity. For me that is a minimum of 10 hours from checkin to lobby. When you add the 1/2 local transportation each way that means my minimum rest is 11 hours. If you need more than 10 hours in the hotel to get the FAR 117 sleep opportunity then tell Scheduling what you need, then your minimum rest is 1 hour added to that.So if you need 11 hours in the hotel then your minimum rest is 12 hours. In no case should any 121 Pilot accept 10 hours rest as giving them 8 hours of sleep opportunity, and per FAR 117 only the pilot can determine what rst they need in order to get 8 hours of sleep opportunuty.
8 hrs of sleep opportunity means lights out. You get 8 hrs to sleep. You need to get to the hotel. Time to decompress. Lights out and Sleep. Time to get ready then ride back to the airport. 10hrs sure as hell doesn’t provide that.
08-06-2022, 11:27 PM
#57
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,789
No he’s right. I totally had the “sllep” opportunity last night in ATL. I seriously had thoughts about calling in fatigued but it was my day off (JA’d into it) and I was going home. I hate it when I get the sllep overnights. Two separate but distinct knocking on the door “when do you check out” calls. It was great.
08-07-2022, 04:01 AM
#60
Spikes the Koolaid
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: 737
Posts: 403
Per FAR 117 you need 8 hours of sllep opportunity. For me that is a minimum of 10 hours from checkin to lobby. When you add the 1/2 local transportation each way that means my minimum rest is 11 hours. If you need more than 10 hours in the hotel to get the FAR 117 sleep opportunity then tell Scheduling what you need, then your minimum rest is 1 hour added to that.So if you need 11 hours in the hotel then your minimum rest is 12 hours. In no case should any 121 Pilot accept 10 hours rest as giving them 8 hours of sleep opportunity, and per FAR 117 only the pilot can determine what rst they need in order to get 8 hours of sleep opportunuty.
They can go for whatever they want. Just telling you what's happening for me.
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