Originally Posted by Lewbronski

IMO, it doesn't really matter if CK, or BJ, or TD think we don't deserve industry-leading anything when the company's main defense against the credible threat of self-help is the employment of scabs in the event of a legal strike. In this environment, the chances of SWA management drumming up enough scabs to fly enough flights to sustain our operation in response to a legal strike are virtually nil.

IMO, it also doesn't really matter that much if we believe we deserve an industry-leading contract unless we are able to collectively make the threat of a strike very, very real in the minds of CK, BJ, and GK.

If we can make the threat of a legal strike very, very credible, then we stand a good chance of attaining an industry-leading contract.

The very late filing for mediation and the ongoing complaining (which management is very aware of) from much of the pilot group about how long the process is taking, among other things, eats away at our credibility. It makes it appear to management, who does understand the process, that we do not understand the process very well and that they can eventually cause us to settle for something much less than we could achieve.

Originally Posted by dsevo

Just because you consider it doesn’t make it so.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

That's all fine and dandy. If we have a pilot group who believes we are nothing but a "Cracker Jack regional flying 737's", then credible strike threat means diddly squat because "Cracker Jack regional airlines" tend to not be industry leaders, and hence not worthy of industry-leading contracts. You have our own trying to push this BS. So when the "Cracker Jack regional flying 737's" offer comes along, we'll have enough pilots believing we're nothing but a "Cracker Jack regional flying 737's" and voting yes on "Cracker Jack regional flying 737's" style contract, you'll be sitting around griping about the self-fulfilling prophecy of being a "Cracker Jack regional flying 737's."

Make sense?

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Honestly, RJS, you're absolutely exhausting. The credible threat of a legal strike is our primary source of leverage in a RLA environment, especially in this pilot hiring environment. Period.

It's hard to believe that even needs to be hashed out among members of an organized labor union.

Between you and Prospect and FlyGuy, it's a nearly pointless endeavor to try to speak about basic principles of organized labor. Pollyanna-ishly, you guys are gonna do what you guys are gonna do: chasing after windmills that don't produce a better career for SWA pilots. Just one of about 8,400 leaks in our dike that will further cement our status as barely-more-than-a-regional-airline with commensurate careers for our pilot group.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Honestly, RJS, you're absolutely exhausting. The credible threat of a legal strike is our primary source of leverage in a RLA environment, especially in this pilot hiring environment. Period.

It's hard to believe that even needs to be hashed out among members of an organized labor union.

Between you and Prospect and FlyGuy, it's a nearly pointless endeavor to try to speak about basic principles of organized labor. Pollyanna-ishly, you guys are gonna do what you guys are gonna do: chasing after windmills that don't produce a better career for SWA pilots. Just one of about 8,400 leaks in our dike that will further cement our status as barely-more-than-a-regional-airline with commensurate careers for our pilot group.

Originally Posted by flyguy81

What the hell did I do? Just because I said I don’t think we’ll get 777 rates that beat any other airline out there? I voted yes to strike and I’ll do it if need be. I will not vote in a TA that has substandard disability, rsv rules, scheduling/work rules, etc. I have my number for pay that I’ll vote yes for and it isn’t DL 737 rates. I’ve got 23 yrs (maybe more if the govt has their way) left til mandatory retirement….I know what the market is and what we’re worth. I was at a regional that had an amendable CBA for 7 yrs before I came here. I can wait as long as need be….the company can’t.

Originally Posted by Caveman

Just check your ego, and allow yourself to actually think for one minute.

Most of us ARE part of the problem. And dont even realize it..

Originally Posted by Caveman

Just check your ego, and allow yourself to actually think for one minute.

Most of us ARE part of the problem. And dont even realize it.

Lews posts have done more to illuminate that than any others on here.

Critical thinking. Its no longer considered a necessary life skill.

Originally Posted by Garmin03

I hold a CJO at United, but have always been interested in SWA and hope to get an interview soon. I've only got 15 career years left, so I'm trying to maximize income without destroying my QOL. If you had the choice under my circumstances which would you choose. and why?