SWA or UAL
10-27-2022, 04:44 PM
#151
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Posts: 181
SWA or UAL
I don’t think I could have…you’d probably have to be at one of the airlines involved. Just a casual observer. HK wasn’t the CEO during the merger, GK isn’t the CEO anymore either…let it go.
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10-28-2022, 03:51 AM
#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: FOD
Posts: 536
On a related note, this might be the longest forum thread Mozam has ever been involved in without mentioning plumbers.
10-28-2022, 05:39 AM
#153
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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More importantly go back to post #129. You’ll see that ONCE AGAIN it was not me who brought up the AirTran topic but ONCE AGAIN it was a “real SW pilot” as you preferred to be called back then and even to this day.
So don’t tell me to let it go when I’m not the one bringing up my former carrier and the shotgun (held to our heads) wedding.
Even if I don’t bring the topic up, I sure as $..t am not going to lay down and be walked over with misinformation and half truths.
So if you don’t want to hear or read about the topic then perhaps go have a powwow with your “real SW” buddies and get them to “let it go” as you suggested to me.
10-28-2022, 07:59 PM
#154
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 45
Southwest Airlines and AirTran Airways pilots overwhelmingly approved a plan to combine the seniority lists of the two carriers, with five out of six pilots voting in favor, their unions said Monday.
The approval clears the way for Southwest to begin bringing AirTran pilots and airplanes into Southwest Airlines, a process expected to begin in 2012 and be completed by the end of 2014.
The vote ratifies an agreement made two months ago by negotiators with the Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association and the AirTran master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association.
“I am extremely proud of our negotiators’ efforts to preserve and enhance the career value of every Southwest Airlines pilot and proud of our membership for demonstrating leadership by voting in favor of this negotiated list,” SWAPA president Steve Chase said.
“This agreement cements the bond between our pilot groups, and helps clear the path to the complete integration of the two airlines,” said Linden Hillman, MEC chairman at AirTran.
Because seniority helps determine rank, schedules, vacations and pay, a decision on how two labor groups are combined is among the most difficult issues in airline mergers.
ALPA and SWAPA negotiators had worked out an agreement July 16, but the ALPA master executive council voted a month later not to send it to its members for a vote. The two sides worked out a revised plan in September, and members began voting on it a month ago.
ALPA leaders told AirTran pilots in late September that Southwest officials had raised the possibility that if pilots didn’t agree to a seniority integration plan, Southwest might keep AirTran as a separate brand. The implication was that option would not be a good one for AirTran pilots.
According to the unions, 83.56 percent of Southwest pilots voting were in favor of the seniority plan, while 83.58 percent of AirTran pilots voting cast ballots for the plan. The unions said 95.1 percent of Southwest pilots voted, as did 93.99 percent of AirTran’s pilots.
Who do you think those "officials" were? The message was sent from GK, "If AT does not approve this, I will keep it a separate brand and strip the assets". On the SWA side it was "if you don't approve this deal I will whip saw AirTran against you"
Why is this so hard for some of you? Go look it up, Im not going to sit here and deliver the facts. Why do you think the approval numbers were so high on both sides? Because we were all told to eat it, or else.
The approval clears the way for Southwest to begin bringing AirTran pilots and airplanes into Southwest Airlines, a process expected to begin in 2012 and be completed by the end of 2014.
The vote ratifies an agreement made two months ago by negotiators with the Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association and the AirTran master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association.
“I am extremely proud of our negotiators’ efforts to preserve and enhance the career value of every Southwest Airlines pilot and proud of our membership for demonstrating leadership by voting in favor of this negotiated list,” SWAPA president Steve Chase said.
“This agreement cements the bond between our pilot groups, and helps clear the path to the complete integration of the two airlines,” said Linden Hillman, MEC chairman at AirTran.
Because seniority helps determine rank, schedules, vacations and pay, a decision on how two labor groups are combined is among the most difficult issues in airline mergers.
ALPA and SWAPA negotiators had worked out an agreement July 16, but the ALPA master executive council voted a month later not to send it to its members for a vote. The two sides worked out a revised plan in September, and members began voting on it a month ago.
ALPA leaders told AirTran pilots in late September that Southwest officials had raised the possibility that if pilots didn’t agree to a seniority integration plan, Southwest might keep AirTran as a separate brand. The implication was that option would not be a good one for AirTran pilots.
According to the unions, 83.56 percent of Southwest pilots voting were in favor of the seniority plan, while 83.58 percent of AirTran pilots voting cast ballots for the plan. The unions said 95.1 percent of Southwest pilots voted, as did 93.99 percent of AirTran’s pilots.
Who do you think those "officials" were? The message was sent from GK, "If AT does not approve this, I will keep it a separate brand and strip the assets". On the SWA side it was "if you don't approve this deal I will whip saw AirTran against you"
Why is this so hard for some of you? Go look it up, Im not going to sit here and deliver the facts. Why do you think the approval numbers were so high on both sides? Because we were all told to eat it, or else.
Politics of how it went down aside, im not interested in who wronged who.
AirTran, Southwest pilots approve seniority deal
Business
By Kelly Yamanouchi, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Nov 7, 2011Pilots at AirTran Airways and Southwest Airlines voted to approve a deal to combine their seniority lists, resolving a contentious issue and avoiding a setback that could have derailed the integration of the two carriers.
In voting that ran from Oct. 8 through Monday, 83.6 percent of the pilots that voted at each carrier cast ballots in favor of the deal. About 94 percent of the AirTran pilots and 95 percent of the Southwest pilots participated in the voting.
The deal will combine the roughly 1,700 AirTran pilots and 6,000 Southwest pilots onto a single seniority list and eventually bring significant pay increases to AirTran pilots.
AirTran pilots union leader Linden Hillman said in a written statement that the agreement "cements the bond between our two pilot groups, and helps clear the path to complete integration of the two carriers."
Dallas-based Southwest closed its acquisition of Orlando-based AirTran in May. AirTran's largest hub is in Atlanta and once integration is complete, the entire combined carrier will be known as Southwest.
Pilot seniority is a touchy issue in any airline merger, as it can determine their pay, work schedules and career prospects.
After a previous pilot seniority deal fell apart in August, a Southwest spokesman said if the company received a no vote on this deal, "it means that we cannot execute the original integration plan and we will have to reset." Southwest management was eager to see the new seniority deal approved to avoid going to arbitration.
The airline raised the possibility of a "Plan B" scenario, in which AirTran may not be fully integrated into Southwest as planned -- which could put AirTran pilot jobs at risk. A presentation to AirTran pilots by their union leadership laid out the Plan B scenario.
But with the deal approved Monday, AirTran pilots will gradually transition to Southwest pay rates and positions, starting next April and to be completed by the end of 2014, according to union documents. The first deal had included an increase for AirTran pilots to Southwest pay rates next year.
But AirTran pilots will retain their longevity with AirTran after they move to Southwest and would not be furloughed before the transition is complete, "unless prohibitive conditions occur."
10-28-2022, 10:53 PM
#155
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 120
There's a lot of guys that have BTDT at SWA who don't ever want to go back to doing that. I started doing it in my late 20s and it was awesome. Then I went back and did it in my late 30s and early 40s and it was god awful. Flipping your clock and flying more than 3 time zones is way worse on your body than what we do. I hope I never have to do it again. I have seen the sun set and sun rise on the same flight more times than I can count.
Say what you will about our schedules, we don't fly traditional red eyes and if you really want to avoid a certain hour of the day, 90 percent of us can bid schedules that avoid it. There are the 10 percent locked into AM or PM reserve against their will, but the way things are going right now, that won't last long.
I do agree that they are really stretching the day out in the name of profits, but if you are really and truly fatigued, the solution is one phone call away. It's only business.
Say what you will about our schedules, we don't fly traditional red eyes and if you really want to avoid a certain hour of the day, 90 percent of us can bid schedules that avoid it. There are the 10 percent locked into AM or PM reserve against their will, but the way things are going right now, that won't last long.
I do agree that they are really stretching the day out in the name of profits, but if you are really and truly fatigued, the solution is one phone call away. It's only business.
10-29-2022, 12:44 PM
#157
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 476
The heir of entitlement is what keeps it alive for the few.
Most have come to terms with positive turn this provided them and their career/earnings.
But some have not. And will likely medical out sooner because of it.
Most have come to terms with positive turn this provided them and their career/earnings.
But some have not. And will likely medical out sooner because of it.
12-21-2022, 03:39 PM
#158
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 523
You MAKE time before your report. If you need coffee to function in the morning then the flight can leave late. IMSAFE
I’m so ******ing tired of this get the mission done at all costs mentality at SWA. I brief my entire crew that we cover each other’s asses on food, rest, physiological needs, etc and if we leave late because of it then so be it. Surprisingly, some of the responses I receive are as if I’m crazy for even suggesting that we delay a flight because of these basic human needs.
Just got into it with a gate age…..er “ops agent” 🙄in PHX because we had a plane swap and the FO and I went off to get food. She literally lied to scheduling and I called her out on it in a tactful but GFY kind of way, basically telling her that we don’t get crew meals, nor is there actual “real” food on the corndog airplanes so we need to go take care of food and bathroom breaks at some point in the day.
Does anyone have any friends at FedEx or UPS that can recommend me? I’m so done with dealing with FA drama, crowded terminals, diversity and inclusion, ground ops bu!!$hit, rampers with major attitudes, death by RBFs, tech debt, a “laser focused” and “right where we want to be” operation that’s in complete shambles, making “sorry about the Wi-Fi not working” PAs, and having a woke CEO that’s more concerned about apologizing about his “bullet points” than the operation that is crumbling around him.
What a freakin’ clown show this airline is.
I’m so ******ing tired of this get the mission done at all costs mentality at SWA. I brief my entire crew that we cover each other’s asses on food, rest, physiological needs, etc and if we leave late because of it then so be it. Surprisingly, some of the responses I receive are as if I’m crazy for even suggesting that we delay a flight because of these basic human needs.
Just got into it with a gate age…..er “ops agent” 🙄in PHX because we had a plane swap and the FO and I went off to get food. She literally lied to scheduling and I called her out on it in a tactful but GFY kind of way, basically telling her that we don’t get crew meals, nor is there actual “real” food on the corndog airplanes so we need to go take care of food and bathroom breaks at some point in the day.
Does anyone have any friends at FedEx or UPS that can recommend me? I’m so done with dealing with FA drama, crowded terminals, diversity and inclusion, ground ops bu!!$hit, rampers with major attitudes, death by RBFs, tech debt, a “laser focused” and “right where we want to be” operation that’s in complete shambles, making “sorry about the Wi-Fi not working” PAs, and having a woke CEO that’s more concerned about apologizing about his “bullet points” than the operation that is crumbling around him.
What a freakin’ clown show this airline is.
12-21-2022, 04:08 PM
#159
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 523
I bid a weekend line my last vacation month for a high VA pay. Had no problems swapping the few remaining trips off weekends. Picked up a premium weekday 3 day. I’ll have 20 off this month, 8 nights away from home and close to 140 tfp.
Pretty flexible if you ask me. I’ve averaged 140ish tfp all year by trading to low block trips and picking up 2-3 days premium. Haven’t gone under 14 days off a month all year. Prob clear $270k without working too hard.
Pretty flexible if you ask me. I’ve averaged 140ish tfp all year by trading to low block trips and picking up 2-3 days premium. Haven’t gone under 14 days off a month all year. Prob clear $270k without working too hard.
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