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10-27-2022, 07:56 AM
#141
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I'm not a tranny, but I'm going to guess you were not here for the merger. You sure do have all the kool aid talking points down though. A lot of families had to move and have their quality of life uprooted, because we gutted AirTran bases. It's ignorant to think that everything was bliss with our wonderful culture. The first thing GK did was threaten the AirTran pilot group after the first proposed seniority list vote failed. That was their welcome to SWA culture moment.
10-27-2022, 08:13 AM
#142
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
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Southwest Airlines and AirTran Airways pilots overwhelmingly approved a plan to combine the seniority lists of the two carriers, with five out of six pilots voting in favor, their unions said Monday.
The approval clears the way for Southwest to begin bringing AirTran pilots and airplanes into Southwest Airlines, a process expected to begin in 2012 and be completed by the end of 2014.
The vote ratifies an agreement made two months ago by negotiators with the Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association and the AirTran master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association.
“I am extremely proud of our negotiators’ efforts to preserve and enhance the career value of every Southwest Airlines pilot and proud of our membership for demonstrating leadership by voting in favor of this negotiated list,” SWAPA president Steve Chase said.
“This agreement cements the bond between our pilot groups, and helps clear the path to the complete integration of the two airlines,” said Linden Hillman, MEC chairman at AirTran.
Because seniority helps determine rank, schedules, vacations and pay, a decision on how two labor groups are combined is among the most difficult issues in airline mergers.
ALPA and SWAPA negotiators had worked out an agreement July 16, but the ALPA master executive council voted a month later not to send it to its members for a vote. The two sides worked out a revised plan in September, and members began voting on it a month ago.
ALPA leaders told AirTran pilots in late September that Southwest officials had raised the possibility that if pilots didn’t agree to a seniority integration plan, Southwest might keep AirTran as a separate brand. The implication was that option would not be a good one for AirTran pilots.
According to the unions, 83.56 percent of Southwest pilots voting were in favor of the seniority plan, while 83.58 percent of AirTran pilots voting cast ballots for the plan. The unions said 95.1 percent of Southwest pilots voted, as did 93.99 percent of AirTran’s pilots.
Who do you think those "officials" were? The message was sent from GK, "If AT does not approve this, I will keep it a separate brand and strip the assets". On the SWA side it was "if you don't approve this deal I will whip saw AirTran against you"
Why is this so hard for some of you? Go look it up, Im not going to sit here and deliver the facts. Why do you think the approval numbers were so high on both sides? Because we were all told to eat it, or else.
The approval clears the way for Southwest to begin bringing AirTran pilots and airplanes into Southwest Airlines, a process expected to begin in 2012 and be completed by the end of 2014.
The vote ratifies an agreement made two months ago by negotiators with the Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association and the AirTran master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association.
“I am extremely proud of our negotiators’ efforts to preserve and enhance the career value of every Southwest Airlines pilot and proud of our membership for demonstrating leadership by voting in favor of this negotiated list,” SWAPA president Steve Chase said.
“This agreement cements the bond between our pilot groups, and helps clear the path to the complete integration of the two airlines,” said Linden Hillman, MEC chairman at AirTran.
Because seniority helps determine rank, schedules, vacations and pay, a decision on how two labor groups are combined is among the most difficult issues in airline mergers.
ALPA and SWAPA negotiators had worked out an agreement July 16, but the ALPA master executive council voted a month later not to send it to its members for a vote. The two sides worked out a revised plan in September, and members began voting on it a month ago.
ALPA leaders told AirTran pilots in late September that Southwest officials had raised the possibility that if pilots didn’t agree to a seniority integration plan, Southwest might keep AirTran as a separate brand. The implication was that option would not be a good one for AirTran pilots.
According to the unions, 83.56 percent of Southwest pilots voting were in favor of the seniority plan, while 83.58 percent of AirTran pilots voting cast ballots for the plan. The unions said 95.1 percent of Southwest pilots voted, as did 93.99 percent of AirTran’s pilots.
Who do you think those "officials" were? The message was sent from GK, "If AT does not approve this, I will keep it a separate brand and strip the assets". On the SWA side it was "if you don't approve this deal I will whip saw AirTran against you"
Why is this so hard for some of you? Go look it up, Im not going to sit here and deliver the facts. Why do you think the approval numbers were so high on both sides? Because we were all told to eat it, or else.
10-27-2022, 08:25 AM
#144
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,920
I'm not a tranny, but I'm going to guess you were not here for the merger. You sure do have all the kool aid talking points down though. A lot of families had to move and have their quality of life uprooted, because we gutted AirTran bases. It's ignorant to think that everything was bliss with our wonderful culture. The first thing GK did was threaten the AirTran pilot group after the first proposed seniority list vote failed. That was their welcome to SWA culture moment.
I get it, nobody is really happy in a merger. Bases close, people lose seniority or take pay cuts. Merger happened on the heels of age 65 and a recession where hardly any airlines were hiring.
Don’t blame me though for ATL being super senior and your inability to hold it…Delta hired like crazy starting around 2013 and you’d be a line holding 767 CA flying to Europe if you’d left.
I turned down a UAL interview in 2015 after I’d been hired here because I was happy and had no interest in commuting to the coasts again…ever.
We need a better CBA and I won’t settle for an Alaska or AA type TA. With 24 yrs left and close to CA upgrade here….if I weren’t happy here I’d have no problem leaving. Why people stay at places they hate when there’s more options than ever before is beyond me.
10-27-2022, 08:30 AM
#145
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,920
I can do that out of BWI?! Really? Like what…..1-2X a year perhaps as opposed to the 3X a month that I used to get them? AUA layovers out of BWI aren’t year round either is my understanding, so let’s just keep the facts straight.
I already ran the spreadsheet, Ace. Leaving would not be a wise choice and that’s not even factoring in the next black swan event. So I’ll be staying I’m sorry to say. The good news is that if you ask some of the others on here they can tell you who I am and hopefully you have room on your avoidance bid list for this “miserable SOB”.
I already ran the spreadsheet, Ace. Leaving would not be a wise choice and that’s not even factoring in the next black swan event. So I’ll be staying I’m sorry to say. The good news is that if you ask some of the others on here they can tell you who I am and hopefully you have room on your avoidance bid list for this “miserable SOB”.
I don’t have anyone on my avoidance bid..even though the few people I won’t work with again were all AT. I’m in the top 25% so unless you’re in my base and working Tues-Thurs PM trips…I won’t ever see you. Life’s too short to be miserable and I have no desire to listen to people complain that everyone else is the source of their problems for 3-4 days.
10-27-2022, 10:06 AM
#146
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10-27-2022, 10:56 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 111
10-27-2022, 11:51 AM
#148
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 523
Starting over always has risks. Fedex is the most stable and one of the best paying jobs. Buddy of mine is a jr 777 FO and made $40k several months due to China overrides, etc.
I don’t have anyone on my avoidance bid..even though the few people I won’t work with again were all AT. I’m in the top 25% so unless you’re in my base and working Tues-Thurs PM trips…I won’t ever see you. Life’s too short to be miserable and I have no desire to listen to people complain that everyone else is the source of their problems for 3-4 days.
I don’t have anyone on my avoidance bid..even though the few people I won’t work with again were all AT. I’m in the top 25% so unless you’re in my base and working Tues-Thurs PM trips…I won’t ever see you. Life’s too short to be miserable and I have no desire to listen to people complain that everyone else is the source of their problems for 3-4 days.
10-27-2022, 04:22 PM
#149
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 181
From the guy who still thinks GK is CEO…
HK hasn’t been CEO since 2001. AirTran merger was 2011, was it not? I may be off +/- a year on one or the other, but even casual industry knowledge makes this pretty simple to refute.
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10-27-2022, 04:41 PM
#150
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
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Posts: 1,260
Breath and let it go. You guys could have taken to court and you folded.
It was Herb that walked into the room during negotiations and mentioned ATA.
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