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Old 10-25-2022, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Zard
or you want to be a widebody FO and have an awesome QOL.
I’ve always heard this, so recently I asked my DL and AA buddies for their bid packages. I’ll be honest, didn’t make me want to go chase that lifestyle.
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Old 10-25-2022, 07:42 AM
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The simple fact of the matter is that you have to work to make money in this business. There's not mailbox money coming to you from your job. If its not sitting at home with my family its work. So if we have to go out and do it, you might as well enjoy it while your doing it and work with great people. SWA still has that going for it. I know all you sour grapes are going to say that the culture is dead, but its really not. Its different during negotiations for sure as the pilots are mad at management right now (for good reason). But by and large everyone you interact with while at work at SWA is pleasant and makes the job easy. Thats why people keep coming to fly here.
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Old 10-25-2022, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose
I’ve always heard this, so recently I asked my DL and AA buddies for their bid packages. I’ll be honest, didn’t make me want to go chase that lifestyle.

I looked at a UAL 777 mid seniority FO bid pack for similar reasons. Whether I wanted to do it or not, there’s something to be said for flying half of one longish leg, eating a first class meal when the RFO is in the seat, laying over for 30 hours and flying one leg back.

even if it’s not your cup of tea, it’s an option you won’t have at SWA anytime soon and maybe ever.
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Old 10-25-2022, 07:52 AM
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Exactly. Options. Its a crazy thought to think ones likes and dislikes may change over a 30 year career... right?

The only option we have is AM or PM.. and even that is basically gone.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Champeen07
The simple fact of the matter is that you have to work to make money in this business. There's not mailbox money coming to you from your job. If its not sitting at home with my family its work. So if we have to go out and do it, you might as well enjoy it while your doing it and work with great people. SWA still has that going for it. I know all you sour grapes are going to say that the culture is dead, but its really not. Its different during negotiations for sure as the pilots are mad at management right now (for good reason). But by and large everyone you interact with while at work at SWA is pleasant and makes the job easy. Thats why people keep coming to fly here.
The closest thing to mailbox money at Delta is bidding weekday WB reserve over the winter. Yes you get guarantee only and have to go visit the sim for an hour every 90 days but you can go months without flying if that’s your thing.
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Old 10-25-2022, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose
I’ve always heard this, so recently I asked my DL and AA buddies for their bid packages. I’ll be honest, didn’t make me want to go chase that lifestyle.

I looked at a United 787 bid pack. It looks way more chill then one of our absurd AM or PM lines. One leg from DEN-FRA is less time on the flight deck than one of my normal duty days on the 737. I just finished a 4 leg a day, 3 day that was all max duty with 4AM lobbies. I doubt there is heavy flying that is much harder than that. Im sure there is a reason heavy flying is more senior than narrow body captain.
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Old 10-25-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Coffee
I looked at a United 787 bid pack. It looks way more chill then one of our absurd AM or PM lines. One leg from DEN-FRA is less time on the flight deck than one of my normal duty days on the 737. I just finished a 4 leg a day, 3 day that was all max duty with 4AM lobbies. I doubt there is heavy flying that is much harder than that. Im sure there is a reason heavy flying is more senior than narrow body captain.
The longer I’ve been here and the older I’ve gotten, the more difficult it has become for me to do our trips. They’re exhausting to me. One-third of my line next month is five-leg days. The other third is four-leg days. Dreading it.
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Old 10-25-2022, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Coffee
I looked at a United 787 bid pack. It looks way more chill thanYeahone of our absurd AM or PM lines. One leg from DEN-FRA is less time on the flight deck than one of my normal duty days on the 737. I just finished a 4 leg a day, 3 day that was all max duty with 4AM lobbies. I doubt there is heavy flying that is much harder than that. Im sure there is a reason heavy flying is more senior than narrow body captain.
Yeah, perhaps. But you won’t get sang to on your birthday and get to wear a toilet paper crown.
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Old 10-25-2022, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
The longer I’ve been here and the older I’ve gotten, the more difficult it has become for me to do our trips. They’re exhausting to me. One-third of my line next month is five-leg days. The other third is four-leg days. Dreading it.
The trips are either starting stupid early or finishing stupid late. Annoying....
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Old 10-25-2022, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
The trips are either starting stupid early or finishing stupid late. Annoying....
Yup. When I came here a big selling point was “we don’t fly tired. If you’re a morning person, fly AMs. If you’re a night owl, fly PMs!” No other major airline offered schedule purity like that!

Now even the most dedicated morning person isn’t happy getting up at 2:30 for a 4:30 push. Even the most die hard night owl is exhausted when they roll into the hotel at 3am. There’s little time to exercise or eat a healthy meal. Its basically 💩, shower, shave, sleep and back to the airport.
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